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Quotations from the novels and author

I am currently discussing recent edits to this page relating to quotes from the novels in support of assertions being made in the main body of the text. I am of the view that such assertions should be backed up by quotations from the original texts, or, as in one case, from the author himself. This has been disputed by another editor. I am attempting to resolve this issue. I suggest that it is probably best that no additional changes be made to this page until this is resolved. Perry Middlemiss (talk) 03:49, 17 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes to the quotes from the novel. No to the quote from Elleston Trevor – it seems to incorporate background that I don't remember from any of the books. Let what he wrote in the novels stand for itself. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:38, 17 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm seeing no need to quote either, since we're talking about a fictional character. Mention it & cite it & leave it be. As it stands, it reads like an excuse to quote the books. Unless the quotation says something that cannot be paraphrased, it shouldn't be used. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 13:08, 17 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand the reasoning behind the implication that because the article deals with a fictional character that statements made about him should be unreferenced. The statement "He also believes that guns give their carriers a dangerously false sense of security.." is a defining point about the character that is inferred or explicitly mentioned in each novel in the series. But as a bland statement it means nothing without proof. I could just as well say something completely different and without a quote from the books this would be impossible to prove or disprove. I am merely attempting to back up statements made in the essay which, in other places, might well receive a citation note.

As to the quote from the author regarding the character I refer other editors to the James Bond article which carries a quote from the author (Ian Fleming) regarding his view of the character. I don't perceive a difference between these two. Perry Middlemiss (talk) 11:25, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to the above the article James Bond (literary character) quotes from the various Fleming books to back up statements made about the character's work, his drinking habits and his attitudes. Perry Middlemiss (talk) 11:32, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the arguments put forward above support my view of the quotes and I'm intending to restore them. The precedent of the James Bond (literary character) page has not been disputed in the past week. Perry Middlemiss (talk) 09:53, 24 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There's a big difference between citing and quoting, and so far, you have nothing like consensus for keeping the quotes in. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 22:58, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]