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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 13:52, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

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An aerial performance of Regine Velasquez at the R2K concert
An aerial performance of Regine Velasquez at the R2K concert

Created by Pseud 14 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:56, 15 May 2022 (UTC).

  • The article is new enough, has no unsourced claims or any issues otherwise, AGF about the Tagalog source and video. I do think the hook could be shorter so I would suggest ALT1.--NØ 10:07, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Regine Velasquez's aerial performance (pictured) during R2K: The Concert was inspired by the opening segment of Paula Abdul's Under My Spell Tour? Source: February 19, 2019. " Regine Velasquez-Alcasid looks back on her R2K concert".'Jeepney TV interview (in Tagalog) – via YouTube. 00:05 minutes in. Translation "I saw Paula Abdul’s concert and she was flying [with wires], it was at the Folk Arts Theater, and I was so impressed, so I told myself, I’ll do that too"; Long, Ernie. (August 2, 1992). Paula Abdul's show, short but spellbinding. "She began the event singing the title song to her recent hit album "Spellbound" by being pulled from beneath the stage to the top of the stage by wires"

I'm doing a re-review to let preppers know if this article is ready to be promoted:

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: ALT2 approved Z1720 (talk) 15:19, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Copyedit request

Hey Pseud 14, doing my thing as usual here:

  • Announced in January, and held during two consecutive nights in April 2000 at the Araneta Coliseum in Quezon City, the concerts were part of Velasquez's campaign in support of her tenth studio album R2K (1999). Looking at the concert synopsis, was it just the same concert being performed twice? The subject seems to be about one concert rather an actual series. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:49, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Actually your right, I was ambivalent on whether to treat as one or not. Should just be treated as singlar then.
  • [T]he concerts were her first performance in a large-scale indoor arena production. Similar to above. Should this be treated in the singular? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:49, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Agree with above to be treated as singular.
  • Concert synopsis: This seems too detailed, especially with all the costume changes. Unless there's something notable about costume pieces, I think those can be omitted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:49, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
  • I've made a few edits to remove the costume changes that are not necessary. But feel free to edit as you find fit.
  •  Done. I removed most of them. The airborne suspension seems fine to mention, so I left the costume talked about there in. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:34, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
  • In retrospect, Elvin Luciano from CNN Philippines called it "the most iconic image" of the singer, while Lo termed it a "decidedly daring or risky action". Emphasis added, wikilink removed. I'm not sure the emphasised phrase is being used correctly; what are you trying to convey by saying in retrospect? It means to look backwards (at a past event). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:49, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
  • I meant it to be a reference to the CNN source as being retrospective, since this was a description years later looking back at her career. But I agree this can be removed so it doesn't sound ambiguous, as I have also added a separate review by Lo.
  •  Done. I switched the two around and added a time phrase, which should get the point across clearly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:34, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Cited by a foreign magazine as one of the best shows in Asia in the last 25 years [...] This is closely paraphrased from the synopsis of the source video. Which magazine? As it is it comes off as promotional. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:49, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
  • I could not find the actual source, I do know it was from an article of New Strait Times, so we can probably just remove then if it comes off being promotional.
  •  Done. I removed it as I'm not sure what value the sentence had encyclopedically. Interested readers will see it if they click on the reference, anyway. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:34, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
  • It is not representative of all concerts for the duration shows. What's a duration show? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:34, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
  • My bad, I meant to write duration of the shows.
  •  Done. I removed it as the previous sentence is enough. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:14, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Velasquez commissioned Rajo Laurel [...] Wikilink removed. Not a copyediting issue, but the subject doesn't appear at the page provided. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:49, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
  • All good, this is a miss on my part, I should have checked and opened the actual wikilink. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pseud 14 (talk • contribs)

Looking forward to your answers. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:49, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

  • @Tenryuu: thanks for your detailed review and copyedits. I have addressed the above points listed. Let me know if there's something that needs clarification. Thank you! Pseud 14 (talk) 20:22, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
  • @Pseud 14:: I've addressed most of the points, though I added a new question as I just noticed it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:34, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
  • @Tenryuu: thank you for the additional edits! The synopsis def reads so much better . I have provided my response to the additional question as well. Pseud 14 (talk) 02:30, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
  • @Tenryuu: always grateful for all your help and expertise. Very much appreciated. Thank you! Pseud 14 (talk) 17:30, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 10:04, 25 June 2022 (UTC)


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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I will review this one tomorrow! --K. Peake 10:04, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

  • Pipe Araneta Center to Araneta City in the infobox  Done
  • The alternate title is not sourced anywhere in the body -- removed
  • Add a comma after tenth studio album  Done
  • The first para is only three sentences long; maybe add another notable sentence, like the one about Velasquez being nervous? -- I've added another sentence providing information on the producer/promoter and sponsors instead. Perhaps it is also notable to include it in the lead similar to other concert articles.
  • "Buttefly" → "Butterfly"  Done
  • The inspiration sentence should be the second sentence of the second para instead  Done
  • The set list including songs from her previous albums is not directly mentioned in the body's prose  Done -- I've added in the synopsis
  • "as well as covers of pop hits" → "It also featured covers of pop hits" with the pipe  Done
  • "during the shows." → "during the concert." also, this should be next to the critical reception in the third para instead  Done
  • Pipe music critics to Music journalism  Done
  • The best shows in Asia accolade(s) is not sourced  Done Removed. Forgot it was still in the lead, after I have removed it in the body from prior a copyedit

Background and development

  • Img looks good, apart from the sold out part not being sourced anywhere in prose
  • "The cover album contained remakes" → "The cover album contains remakes" with the pipe  Done
  • Wikilink music videos  Done
  • [1] is invoked too much per WP:OVERCITE; apart from the first sentence because that is non-consecutive, only cite after the fourth  Done
  • "a commercial success: it sold over" → "a commercial success, selling over"  Done
  • "in its second week of release and earned a" → "in the second week of release and earning a" also, add the organization that certified it  Done -- added music certification organization
  • "she performed in small venue tours[3] which" → "Velasquez performed in small venue tours,[3] which"  Done
  • Only invoke [6] after the second sentence  Done
  • Brian Mcknight → Brian McKnight with the wikilink  Done
  • Remove commas around Viva Concerts  Done
  • [9] should only be cited once in the sentence  Done
  • Pipe Folks Art Theater to Tanghalang Francisco Balagtas  Done
  • "big show coming up"." → "big show coming up."" per MOS:QUOTE, if this is a full sentence  Done
  • [10] should not be invoked after the first sentence of the second para; the others are fine per them being quotes and one the last sentence  Done
  • Video looks good!
  • [15] should only be invoked once in the Paul Abdul sentence  Done
  • Pipe Rajo Laurel to Laurel family (Philippines)  Done
  • [18] should only be invoked once in the two consecutive sentences solely citing this ref  Done

Concert synopsis

  • Apart from the sentence where two refs are used, [12] should only be invoked once after a group of consecutive sentences  Done
  • ""Larger than Life" before" → ""Larger than Life", before"  Done
  • "of "One Love" then went directly" → "of "One Love", transitioning directly" with the pipe per MOS:LINK2SECT and shouldn't you mention who all the songs covered are by?  Done I have attributed/mentioned the artists where possible, except for when it's a medley/mash-up, to avoid WP:SEAOFBLUE
  • Img looks good!
  • "falling out of love before" → "falling out of love, before"  Done
  • ""For the Love of You" where Velasquez" → "For the Love of You", where Velasquez"
  • [12][19] duo should only be invoked once for the first two sentences  Done
  • The third sentence should cite [19] after the comma, followed by [12] after the full-stop  Done
  • "of "Sana Maulit Mulit" before continuing" → "of "Sana Maulit Mulit", before continuing"  Done
  • Remove wikilink on pyrotechnics  Done
  • After [20], [12] should only be invoked at the end of the closing sentence  Done

Reception and recordings

  • Wikilink pyrotechnics on the quote box, also do not use double quotation marks inside other ones -- the term referred by Lo in the quote actually describes "vocal pyrotechnics" (an alternative to vocal abilities, etc). So I did not link. Also removed double quotation marks
  • "The concerts received positive responses from critics who" → "The concert was met with positive responses from critics, who"  Done
  • The second sentence of Ricky Lo's review should be put into your own words more, especially when there is a quote box from him  Done reworded this to avoid quoting the paragraph in the article
  • "began his review with" should have a comma after it if the sentence from the original source begins at this point  Done
  • "pop artist has"." → "pop artist has."" per MOS:QUOTE  Done
  • Remove wikilink on Celine Dion  Done
  • "called it "the most" → "noted "the most"  Done
  • "her costumes as "grand and lavish" while" → "Velasquez's costumes as "grand and lavish", while"  Done
  • Mention the writer instead of attributing the comments to the Manila Standard, also the speech marks are not ended  Done
  • Same as above for attribution of the Philippine Daily Inquirer comments  Done
  • "It previewed multiple snippets of" → "The film featured previews of multiple snippets of"  Done
  • [23] should only be invoked after the second of the two sentences per WP:OVERCITE  Done

Set list

  • Good

Personnel

  • Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between personnel and roles  Done

See also

  • Good

References

  • Copyvio score looks slightly high at 45.2%; cut down direct quoting from Ricky Lo in reception  Done cut down on direct quoting per reception comments above
  • For any citations that are through Google Books, add the via parameter only wikilinking on the first instance  Done
  • WP:OVERLINK of Philippine Daily Inquirer on refs 4, 7, 8, 10, 11, 17 and 19  Done
  • WP:OVERLINK of Viva Concerts on ref 9  Done
  • WP:OVERLINK of The Philippine Star on refs 14, 18 and 22  Done
  • Use two separate parameters for the authors and cite last name followed by first on ref 20  Done
  • WP:OVERLINK of Vivamax on ref 23  Done

External links

  • Good

Final comments and verdict

  •  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; nice work on this! --K. Peake 09:04, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your thorough review @Kyle Peake: I have addressed the above points and provided a few comments in blue to support changes made. Let me know if I may have missed anything or if there are items that remain unaddressed. Thanks Pseud 14 (talk) 14:03, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
  • ✓ Pass now, good work from you even though I made a couple of copyedits! --K. Peake 16:27, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you Kyle Peake! Much appreciate your review and the improvements/edits you've made. Cheers! Pseud 14 (talk) 17:16, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Inappropriate images

Can someone please remove the pictures of literal sh*t posted by a guy called "scatman". And also ban the user? This is today's featured article so millions of people are seeing this????? 78.18.215.167 (talk) 13:12, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

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