Talk:Record producer/Archives/2013

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A common mistake is that the definition of a producer changes when it comes to rap music. People tend to define a 'rap producer' as 'guy who made the beat'. This is incorrect! The definition of a music producer DOES NOT change depending on genre! The confusion occurs because many rap music composers are wrongly credited as "producer" when their only contribution was the composition itself. There is a misconception in the rap world that says if the producer didn't actually play the instruments in the beat, he isn't really a producer. A producer is and does what has already been explained in this page. Most rap producers, including Dr. Dre, Kanye West, Just Blaze, Jermaine Dupri, among others produce their recordings the traditional way, by supervising a team of musicians.

I removed the above as there is no rap production article and the paragraph about it is in the wrong tone and appears to be arguing with assertions never made. Hyacinth 19:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, then, if that’s what’s both said and understood in that context, then that’s the definition. There’s no confusion—within the context of hip-hop interlocutors know what is meant by “so-and-so produced this track.” —Wiki Wikardo 03:25, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure of the significance in replying to such an old comment, but I do want to offer Category:Hip hop record producers as an aid to understand that there is a difference regarding record producers of different genre's. It should only appear in this broad article in summary style, but it certainly should not be excluded its due proportion!—My76 Strat _(talk) 05:09, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Citations

What needs to be cited? Hyacinth 20:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Mixing?

Is it common for the producer to oversee mixing and mastering (or alternatively, is it rare for a producer not to be involved in the mixing/mastering) but rather for the artist and the mixer dealing with the mixing with the producer having only been responsible for the recording session alone? TheHYPO 16:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that's the type of question that might vary greatly depending on the producer. In my experience a lot of producers are also the sound engineers and tend to either work the sound desk themselves or alongside the artist. However, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that there are also many producers with a far more detached approach. --Monofiopia 04:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
A producer almost always supervises mixing and mastering. I haven't heard of one who wouldn't. I have a personal bias against producers who are just business managers/schedulers. I think they should have experience as either musicians or engineers too. Many of the better ones are actively involved in most steps of the production process. Often, especially in mastering, the producer will defer certain decisions to the mastering engineer, as mastering engineers have very specialized and often esoteric knowledge. Anyway, as far as music goes, Monofiopia's comments reflect my own experience. When it comes to film or TV producers supervising post production audio though, all the rules change.Littlerubberfeet (talk) 22:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

malicious entry???

In the section "The evolution of the role of the producer" I came across the following statement:

signing new artists to production contracts penis

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Looks like the word "penis" is uncalled for here...

Hello, Good point. It probably meant "peanuts" or, no money. Still not a good definition worth of inclusion, so good edit. Don't forget to sign your name next time, though. Have a nice day. Evinatea 19:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Producer as Puppetmaster?

Stumbled across this article and just wanted to clarify something.

The article as it stands makes it sound like the producer is a sort of puppetmaster, controlling the musicians and just using their musical abilities to produce what they (the producer) wants. Surely that can't be the case - the musicians must act as co-producers of their own work, most of the time (except your manufactured Britney-types perhaps), no? I certainly hope the musicians have a lot of say in the production of their own music, anyway...

So, yes, assuming that I'm correct, I think the article needs to make it clearer that producers would normally work with the musicians to produce albums etc instead of making them sound like they always completely run the show with the musicians as their minions. 136.186.1.188 03:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Not true. Producers are like puppet-masters. There was an article online by a underground producer stating this (can't find it online now). In fact, they are like puppet-masters, when it comes to forms of electronic music (hip-hop, R&B, pop, ect). Anyone who knows anything about Brittney Spears knows that she knows nothing about programming or playing music, yet she has multiple albums all crediting her as being the "artist" of those songs, yet always crediting producers and writer for everything involved with the song. Puppet-master producers is mainly aimed towards forms of electronic music. Acoustic music, on the other hand, is different. Your statements are true when it comes to acoustic music, but I remember reading an article from this underground producer a few years ago and it was in reference to electronic music producers. The article actually gave credit to acoustic artists for actually playing their own music. 65.35.108.237 22:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Producers and modern recording technology

That is a load of crap. Everybody is a "producer" now. The term IS defined, and just because people are embarassed to be called musicians doesn't mean that the words are becoming synonymous. I'm sure one of the wanna-be "producers" wrote that nonsense to show his friends that he is defined as a producer because Wikipedia says so. I need to remember my login and think of a disclaimer to add to that nonsense.

I agree. Producers are basically like a temporary member of the band, and they are there to bring new arrangement, recording, and songwriting ideas to the table. Everyone isn't a producer. --Kgroover 13:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

--well I disagree with kgroover, a producer is to album as film director is to movie. I think thats the analogy. I think the whole section should be deleted unless, a reasonable citation can be found and I don't think there is. It is likely a 16 year old kid, who "composes" beats with fruityloops who added the entry.68.17.155.97 (talk) 06:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

"Original Subject" tag

I'm confused as to why it's there. The content contained therein is totally factual. It's absolutely true that the proliferation of affordable recording software has changed the definition of the record producer. Given that, I don't understand the tag.

I disagree the change in the use of the terminology is more directly related too the fact that some noted producers of hip-hop artists, (many of which are artists them selves) take more active role in the recording process. Particularly concerning the song's arrangement, they may go as far as composing melody. As a result many lay people think that a producer is a musician involved in the song writing, or more particularly to be truthful many people, mostly laymen think anyone who makes beats, or controls a recording session XYAYXLTD (talk) 23:29, 13 January 2010 (UTC)xyayx.com (Which is often the engineer) is a producer. In the context of the record production industry, producer has been a fixed term for decades. The term hasn't changed use professionals in the audio industry. You can pickup sound on sound, mix, music tech, computer music, recording, all magazines that have extensive articles on use of the very music software mentioned in this article, none of those magazines call the actual use of that software producing. 68.17.155.97 (talk) 06:30, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Production Software

Would anyone be able to recommend a particular production/composing software? There were four recommended on the main article, but it didn't say which is supposedly the best. Or if there is a speciallist hip-hop production software anyone could recommend, that would be even better. Thanks! DipSetGeezer 18th August 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by DipSetGeezer (talk • contribs) 17:31, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

There are plenty of appropriate forums in which to ask that. This isn't one. I would recommend you to go to one called Future Producers. - Sam —Preceding unsigned comment added by Valkian (talk • [[Special:Contributions/)

Anachronistic entry title/move proposal

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 17:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Record producer → Producer (music) — Added {movereq} tag. Hairhorn (talk) 14:47, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Almost no one produces "records" any more. An alternative term, "music producer" is not really used either, at least not in music circles (maybe in film). I would suggest a move to something along the lines of Producer (music), which currently redirects to this page. Hairhorn (talk) 18:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Oppose. Records are still being produced and I believe that production may in fact be increasing. In any case, no evidence is provided that the current name for the article is wrong. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:20, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

"Record" is a term for a vinyl LP; what evidence to you need? It's moot whether vinyl production is currently increasing or not, since the vast majority of music is not released on vinyl. Hairhorn (talk) 16:19, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Oppose. "Record producer" does not literally mean to produce gramophone records, but to the act of record production; recorded music. — ξ ^xplicit 02:32, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Oppose A look at Google News seems to indicate that "record producer" is still a commonly used term. Regardless of whether the "record" originally referred to vinyl or not, it seems like the phrase is still applied to anyone producing music. Propaniac (talk) 15:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

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