Talk:Retreat of glaciers since 1850

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Glacial retreat slowed and even reversed temporarily, in many cases, between 1950 and 1980 as the global temperatures temporarily plateaued[edit]

The graphs on the page don't support this text William M. Connolley (talk) 06:49, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Probably. The intro does not summarize the article now as well as it did when it was nominated and passed featured article. However, that passage was designed to address repeated instances of the slowing of glacier retreat which was noticed almost worldwide from about WWII to the late 1970s, which is mentioned in the article multiple times.--MONGO 11:06, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

added image "Retreat of Glaciers, Main Effects"[edit]

Aim of the visualization is to summarize the main effects of the glaciers retreat and show how the different effects are connected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frasnati (talkcontribs) 15:14, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

File:Retreat of Glaciers, Main Effects.jpg was removed from the article by an anonymous editor with the offensive edit summary, "Removed ridiculous 'infographic' that states among other things that one of the effects of Glacier melting is "no more agricolture"[sic])". [1] I'm inclined to leave it out unless it can be corrected and improved. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 15:05, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

FAR needed[edit]

There is a good deal of uncited text, and this article probably needs a tune-up to avoid a Featured article review. MONGO are you able to bring this to standard? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:52, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Link to sanctions query for archives. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:27, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

User:MONGO: Are you happy with taking this to FAR? I was just trying to amend an ugly external jump in the Asia section, when I clicked on the link (1) to see if my assumption that it was the source for the paragraph was correct, and (2) to determine what was meant by the final sentence, which is written in unidiomatic English. By doing so I discovered that the source reads:

Change in temperature is contributing rapid melting of glaciers that is leading to the formation and expansion of glacial lakes. This situation contributes an increase in the number of glacial lake outburst floods (GLOFs). If the present trends persist, the glacier ice mass will gradually be reduced, which will impact on the availability of water resources. Meteorological parameters such as temperature and rainfall play an important role in determining glacier changes. Surface where water is in solid form is decreasing in size day by day but there is lack of data about such cryosphere.

and the article reads:

Change in temperature is contributing rapid melting of glaciers that is leading to the formation and expansion of glacial lakes. This situation contributes an increase in the number of glacial lake outburst floods (GLOFs). If the present trends persist, the glacier ice mass will gradually be reduced, which will impact on the availability of water resources. Meteorological parameters such as temperature and rainfall play an important role in determining glacier changes. Surface where water is in solid form is decreasing in size day by day but there is lack of data about such cryosphere.

So, that's one thing that needs sorting. DrKiernan (talk) 11:05, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

I believe that the article needs an update. The major players that brought this article to FAC are all still around excepting perhaps one. Myself, User:Wsiegmund and in a limited fashion User:Peltoms (Mauri Pelto)...I ask that you might provide us ample opportunity to address issues. I would prefer to do what I can to ensure this article retains FA designation.--MONGO 14:31, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
That sounds great, thanks! DrKiernan (talk) 14:39, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Tropical glaciers[edit]

In the section for Tropical glaciers, I deleted the sentence that stated that all tropical glaciers are found on isolated peaks because this is not true for the northern ranges of the Andes which feature many glacialized zones that are not isolated from other mountain peaks. Also, I made a minor edit to the sentence explaining where ice is found in the tropics. Previously, it read "Ecuadorian Andes," however, glaciers are found in the other countries of the tropical Andes as well, so I changed the text to reflect that.Nacutler (talk) 19:03, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Tropical glaciers as its own article?[edit]

I propose that due to their importance and many distinct properties Tropical Glaciers should have a dedicated page. Does anyone object to this? I can take it on as a project and open it up to further review before I create the article. Any thoughts? MONGO? Nacutler (talk) 03:52, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

That's a fine idea really as they are, in the scheme of things, rare enough to make for a good subarticle. I moved your comments to the bottom in chronological order and if you need to add a new section just hit the "New section" tab at the top of this page and it automatically adds it to the bottom.--MONGO 04:56, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Nacutler, Wikipedia:Summary style contains guidance on when sub-articles are appropriate and how to reference them in the main article. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 05:01, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the advice, clearly I am new around here. --Nacutler (talk) 18:00, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
I support your objective. You could use the existing text and modify it by updating the wording, references and by adding significantly to it. We then would put a "see also" link in the tropical glaciers section in this article. This article would then be a summary of your "daughter" article, where the details would be expanded from those here.--MONGO 18:13, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Update status[edit]

While I have been slow in updating this article, I will have more time to dedicate to this in less than a month and should make major progress after that.--MONGO 22:24, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Antarctica possible move to own article[edit]

Given the size, Antarctica should be probably moved to the article page Antarctic glacier retreat. prokaryotes (talk) 02:07, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

We can summarize here but I oppose moving the entire section.--MONGO 13:26, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Wait a minute...you added all these subsections...why? Can it be condensed into the main section in a few paragraphs? I'd prefer to not lose the data but this subsectioning is not helpful and really breaks up the section into tiny pieces.--MONGO 13:31, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
It was a wall of text, and for better overview, to easy find a glacier. But the sub section could be removed when the part is structured differently, as long it is easy to read, not just a wall of text. And it can be summarized here and then a overview could be created in an extra article. prokaryotes (talk) 16:02, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps it was a wall of text, but this is a featured article and break I g it down to individual ice sheets looks awful...if we did that, we would have to do the same for all the other sections too. While its a bit on hold, I've been working top to bottom to update this entire article so when I finally get to the section in question Ill clean it up then. The information is useful but the format is not MOS complient.--MONGO 18:49, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Prokaryotes; I don't think the focus of this article should be individual glaciers. We have List of glaciers in the Antarctic. Antarctic glaciers could be a valuable article focusing on the geology, geography and history of that topic. Instead this article should emphasize the article topic, i.e., decade- and century-scale dynamics since 1850. Subheadings by glaciers break up this narrative flow in my opinion. That isn't to say that the Antarctic section in last version by Schwede66 couldn't be improved. I suggest an introductory paragraph that includes a broad-brush description that provides context and mentions the significance of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet followed by a couple of paragraphs on the outlet glaciers (the first emphasizing the Pine and Thwaites Glaciers that drain the WAIS, perhaps) and a couple on the ice shelfs. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 19:38, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Okay, sounds good. prokaryotes (talk) 19:40, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Though, it should be noted which glaciers are in greatest retreat (i.e. Smith glacier), or which have big impacts, or which accelerated recently (Glaciers in the region of the Antarctic Southern Peninsula). prokaryotes (talk) 22:06, 24 May 2015 (UTC)