Talk:Riddim

Patois

It's not really patois once you write it down, is it? And isn't it just an alternate pronunciation that became a separate word? Saying "Patois" seems pedantic. frankenc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.110.57.150 (talk) 05:12, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

yes, i agree, the word riddim is the word rhythm, just exactly, and just exactly as it is pronounced in the caribbean regional accent, and if you ask if he "brought something with them" a speaker of that variant of English would respond, "yeah, he brought it wid'im". When you start writing it down with spellings to indicate dialect, well that shonuff has precedent, but it's not clear that wikipedia shonuff needs a shonuff article (does it have one, i didn't check). That a particular word may also be borrowed into a local patois is not stunning news, more appropriate to an article about the patois. That the meaning of the word in the local industry jargon is slightly different says nothing of the meaning of the word in the patois. The tone of the whole article is very "first world anthropologist uncovers the true story behind 'The Harder They Come', and turns out it's a lot like 'Deh 'Arder Dey Come'", you feelin me? 68.174.97.122 (talk) 18:25, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

The word "riddim" clearly sounds different than "rhythm", and it is derived from Jamaican Patois. Blackjays1 (talk) 07:31, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

types of riddim

Do we really want to assert that there are three types of riddim? Are we saying here that the "juice" riddim is not "digital"? That is not accurate, but if you can add more info/explanation, it would work. Also, is someone going to continue updating the riddims listed per year? And does that really add to the article?Reggaedelgado 04:33, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Where?

I am looking to make a reggae song, and need a background riddim, as in one without words already put in. "Ice breaker" would be great. In the riddim article here, it has links to sites with lists of all riddims, but no blank riddim downloads. Anyone know where to find how to get one? The reggae artists (there are like 20 songs using Ice breaka as a base) have to get it somewhere. That would be "bashy and smashy." -User: Barkman27

The artists get it from the producer, who creates the basic riddim and manipulates it for each artist, who in turn record their vocla tracks in the studio. "Blank" riddims (called the version) are available on the b side of most 45s and as a track on most riddim compiliations (such as VP Records' "riddim driven" series). However, remember that the producers retain the copyright on the riddims, and would be entitled to compensation for almost any use you made of the riddim. Reggaedelgado 22:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

The reminder may be true in law but not in practice. Hyacinth 08:46, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Obviously that would not be true 100% of the time in practice (exspecially in the reggae world, where copyrights are less thouroughly defended) but the way Barkman27 asked made it seem as if riddims were public domain to used by whomever, when in fact there is a very regular process whereby producers create riddims and have artists voice tracks over them. Reggaedelgado 20:00, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Formatting of riddim list

I don't understand the formatting in the riddim list, e.g. "-2005:::: Seasons::Jonkanoo::Sweet". Is this a special notation for riddims or something? Could we wikify it, if otherwise? If it's not special riddim notation, I'll clean it up. Someone let me know. Thanks! Nathan Beach 21:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I cleaned up this list, but I really don't know what it's telling anyone. Is there really any reason for this list to be in the article? I couldn't tell if they were song titles with artist names or not, so I just put the titles all in quotes, which would be the proper way to punctuate a song title... --nathanbeach 16:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

That list has got to go. We have List of Riddims, so no need to waste space here. #29 ^(talk) 15:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

and smashy." -User: Barkman27

The artists get it from the producer, who creates the basic riddim and manipulates it for each artist, who in turn record their vocla tracks in the studio. "Blank" riddims (called the version) are available on the b side of most 45s and as a track on most riddim compiliations (such as VP Records' "riddim driven" series). However, remember that the producers retain the copyright on the riddims, and would be entitled to compensation for almost any use you made of the riddim. Reggaedelgado 22:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

The reminder may be true in law but not in practice. Hyacinth 08:46, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Obviously that would not be true 100% of the time in practice (exspecially in the reggae world, where copyrights are less thouroughly defended) but the way Barkman27 asked made it seem as if riddims were public domain to used by whomever, when in fact there is a very regular process whereby producers create riddims and have artists voice tracks over them. Reggaedelgado 20:00, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Formatting of riddim list

I don't understand the formatting in the riddim list, e.g. "-2005:::: Seasons::Jonkanoo::Sweet". Is this a special notation for riddims or something? Could we wikify it, if otherwise? If it's not special riddim notation, I'll clean it up. Someone let me know. Thanks! Nathan Beach 21:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I cleaned up this list, but I really don't know what it's telling anyone. Is there really any reason for this list to be in the article? I couldn't tell if they were song titles with artist names or not, so I just put the titles all in quotes, which would be the proper way to punctuate a song title... --nathanbeach 16:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

That list has got to go. We have List of Riddims, so no need to waste space here. #29 ^(talk) 15:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

How is this any different from Rhythm?

"A riddim is an instrumental version of a song"
"In modern music a rhythm section generally consists of percussion instruments, bass and possibly chordal instruments..." (taken from the wiki page for "Rhythm")
I can't believe this thing has its own page... --Wardrich (talk) 10:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

"Riddims are the instrumental backgrounds of reggae, lovers rock, dub, raggamuffin, dancehall, and sometimes soca compositions." -

This means riddims are only applied to Caribbean music, and this is what makes it different from a "regular rhythm". In other words; Riddim = Caribbean rhythm.Blackjays1 (talk) 13:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm still not exactly sure that there is such a thing as a rhythm sub-genre. I mean, how many more are there? I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm just swaying more in the direction of "riddim" being an ebonic more than an actual thing.

So if it’s “an ebonic,” it can’t be an actual thing? —Wiki Wikardo

Agree. Nothing in the article convinces me that riddim is anything else but patois pronunciation of rhythm. The article even seems to be conspicuously written to avoid saying "rhythm" --- saying "drum pattern" etc --- which looks like the writer was anxious to avoid giving away the fact that it's just rhythm. 217.110.34.4 (talk) 09:05, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

There is a clear difference. IMO this is a racist attempt to relegate an "ebonic" topic (since you brought it up). Article does need improvement but even as is I strongly oppose any efforts to merge. Ggpur (talk) 21:32, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

reggae-riddims.com is down

As of writing this, the link reggae-riddims.com says:

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--2GooD (talk) 16:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Tidying up

I removed "Steely & Clevie are regarded as the most gifted dancehall-reggae producers of all time." This may be true, but I'm not sure it belongs in this article. Maybe in their own article, and only then with some proof. Including it makes the article look untidy and unfocused. Faragher (talk) 13:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Open Directory Project Links

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Phonetic spelllings

I love all of the phonetic spellings, but really, is it really worth all of the confusion to phonetically spell out someone's pronunciation? I could be saying "apple" and meaning "apple" but it sounds like "orange". You should probably still write "apple". 207.159.180.63 (talk) 02:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Which sentences in the article are you referring to? Regards, HaeB (talk) 03:03, 31 October 2010 (UTC)