Talk:Roll On (J. J. Cale album)
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Last studio album?
[edit]Can we confirm that this will be his LAST studio album overall? I'm sure it was his last while he was alive, but we can't be certain if it will be his last album overall? He may have done tunes that never made it to the albums released. There may be compilation albums in the future. WadeSimMiser (talk) 15:46, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- I fully agree. Many artists have albums released posthumously. It's usually a very good way of the record company getting all the profits. If and until the record company, and/or possibly his estate, makes a definitive statement on the matter, I think it's too early to add that. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:48, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- "Wikipedia:Policy on deceased persons - it is entirely possible for a dead musician to record and release an entire album's worth of new material" - then surely, this may be far from his last studio album? To say otherwise is WP:CRYSTAL. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:55, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- Obviously it's not too early. It's his last album. It's impossible for it not to be his last album. He's dead. He's not recording a new album on this plane of existence. Logic, biology, temporal physics, current technology and common sense all dictate definitively, with no room for argument, that Roll On is JJ's last studio album. I'd love to know how he's going to make another with the extreme handicap of being dead. I know Curtis Mayfield managed to make a record despite being paralysed from the neck down, but to my knowledge he's found death somewhat more of an obstacle. A compliation of out-takes and suchlike may come out in the future, but that's not the same thing as a studio album, and there's no reason to claim it is except to win this stupid pointless argument over tautologies. 86.168.24.39 (talk) 19:59, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- No, not obviously at all. He may have already recorded the material that may be released in a future album, posthumously. Do you have any source which rules this out? It' still going to be him, by him, one of his albums. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:02, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- It still wouldn't be a bloody studio album, would it? It'd be a bloody posthmous compilation. There's an outside chance they might manage to do a Streetcore or Brainwashed, but those were being worked on at time of death and only finished posthmously. JJ's more likely to have left behind a Coda, a collection of outtakes and unheard material, but unless they cure death, and preferably quite fast, another studio album is not on the cards. 86.168.24.39 (talk) 20:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- I think material recorded in a studio would constitute a "studio album". I'm really not sure why you are now swearing. The article says "This would be his last studio album while he was alive" - as a compromise? I don't think that statement is actually justified, but I'm not insisting it's removed. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:15, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- "Bloody" isn't swearing, and a studio album isn't just "any collection of songs recorded near some walls". Any posthumous record they put together would be a collection of unrelated recordings, probably including at least one live track, from the archives. That's not a studio album, and I reiterate that there's no reason to pretend otherwise except to win this pointless argument. The compromise statement is fine. It doesn't need changing, it was a good solution. 86.168.24.39 (talk) 20:21, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- But of course. Glad we all agree. Yes, a bit pointless. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:43, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- "Bloody" isn't swearing, and a studio album isn't just "any collection of songs recorded near some walls". Any posthumous record they put together would be a collection of unrelated recordings, probably including at least one live track, from the archives. That's not a studio album, and I reiterate that there's no reason to pretend otherwise except to win this pointless argument. The compromise statement is fine. It doesn't need changing, it was a good solution. 86.168.24.39 (talk) 20:21, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- I think material recorded in a studio would constitute a "studio album". I'm really not sure why you are now swearing. The article says "This would be his last studio album while he was alive" - as a compromise? I don't think that statement is actually justified, but I'm not insisting it's removed. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:15, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- It still wouldn't be a bloody studio album, would it? It'd be a bloody posthmous compilation. There's an outside chance they might manage to do a Streetcore or Brainwashed, but those were being worked on at time of death and only finished posthmously. JJ's more likely to have left behind a Coda, a collection of outtakes and unheard material, but unless they cure death, and preferably quite fast, another studio album is not on the cards. 86.168.24.39 (talk) 20:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- No, not obviously at all. He may have already recorded the material that may be released in a future album, posthumously. Do you have any source which rules this out? It' still going to be him, by him, one of his albums. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:02, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- Obviously it's not too early. It's his last album. It's impossible for it not to be his last album. He's dead. He's not recording a new album on this plane of existence. Logic, biology, temporal physics, current technology and common sense all dictate definitively, with no room for argument, that Roll On is JJ's last studio album. I'd love to know how he's going to make another with the extreme handicap of being dead. I know Curtis Mayfield managed to make a record despite being paralysed from the neck down, but to my knowledge he's found death somewhat more of an obstacle. A compliation of out-takes and suchlike may come out in the future, but that's not the same thing as a studio album, and there's no reason to claim it is except to win this stupid pointless argument over tautologies. 86.168.24.39 (talk) 19:59, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- "Wikipedia:Policy on deceased persons - it is entirely possible for a dead musician to record and release an entire album's worth of new material" - then surely, this may be far from his last studio album? To say otherwise is WP:CRYSTAL. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:55, 27 July 2013 (UTC)