Talk:Rump Parliament

Lead section

The lead section should provide relevant links to the context, for example English Civil War. Piet 08:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

The reason why the term "Rump = Back of Animal" is used is because the "Head = Front of Animal" was secluded by Pride. That is, all the wealthiest Royalist Cavaliers, Catholics and High Anglicans that they were, were secluded by Pride, leaving only the lowly Protestant MPs behind. Hence, after the Long Parliament was "beheaded", only the "rump" remained.

Students from SUNY New Paltz will be editing this page in the next few days to make the information more accessible on this page alone, adding some new information and repeating information that is available on other pages to make the history on this one page more complete and comprehensible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by N01832113 (talk • contribs) 21:08, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Adultery Act

Changed "adultery and fornication" to "adultery and incest", fornication was only punishable by 3 months imprisonment 219.89.36.101 (talk) 04:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Rump was obviously a derogatory term

I have removed "The analogous Dutch word 'romp' does however have the literal meaning of "trunk" and is therefore a more obvious metaphor for such a remnant." for two reasons. One it is OR, and Two, more importantly, those who choose it did so because of it is a crude metaphor which was obvious to everyone meaning the arse end (as is shown in Samuel Pepys's diary entry for Saturday 11 February 1659/60 where Pepys records that people lit bonfires on the streets to roast rumps and boys began to say "kiss my parliament" instead of "kiss my arse"). It is only since then in more modern times that school children learn about Prides purge and the resulting Rump parliament it without necessarily automatically making the derogatory association. -- PBS (talk) 19:27, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Family Legend Names the Executioneer

Joseph Pride Regicide and King Killer Executioneer of Charles 1st of England

On 6 December 1648, at the end of the English Civil War, Colonel Thomas Pride and his soldiers stood outside the entrance to St Stephen's Chapel in the House of Commons of England and, as the Commons convened that morning, arrested 45 Members and excluded a further 186 Royalists. It is known in history as "Prides Purge". On 6 January 1649, the remaining members of parliment established a court to try Charles I for high treason. The court later executed the King, beheading him in public in front of White Hall as Oliver Cromwell and thousands of others looked on. The identity of the executioner, hidden in a hood, is officially unknown.

General Thomas Pride, Grandee of Oliver Cromwells New Model Army, died in 1658 at his home of Worcester Park House, having bought it and the "Great Park" of Nonsuch Palace, Surrey. After the English Restoration of King Charles the 2nd in 1660, his body was ordered dug up and suspended on the gallows at Tyburn along with those of Oliver Cromwell, Henry Ireton and John Bradshaw, though it is said that the sentence was not carried out because his corpse was too far decayed. The Royalists thereupon attempted to hang his son, Joseph Pride, also an active and prominent member of the New Model Army, who barely escaped.

Joseph Pride is buried in Portland, Maine, and his son Joseph is referred in an article noting the death of "Old Man Pride" that year (1747). The backward looking article from 1895 cites "The Joseph Pride to whom this tract of 100 acres was granted was 'most likely' the first person of the name in the area", and somewhat mysteriously that he "probably was in mid life when he emigrated to this vicinity, but that persons of that name still reside, having aquired their homes by inheritance from ancestors who have long been domiciled with our present town limits". It also states that "On April 12 1726 Joseph and Sarah Pride had a son Joseph born in Falmouth" (Thomas, Joseph, Joseph, Joseph, Joseph's, Joseph). The Joseph born in 1726 would go on to become Captain Joseph Pride in George Washingtons Army where he served with his son Joseph Pride Jr, and completing the Listing of the Hanged,... his other son, named in Anti Royalist furver,... John Pride (ala John Bradshaw).

According to family legend traced to Merritt Greenough Pride of Westbrook (1887-1969), and related ancestors, who were also residents of Prides Corner Westbrook, Maine, the escape had a dramatic and ironic twist. Joseph ran from the redcoats down a hill, out a dock, and dove into the sea and swam to a longboat that had already departed the Dock. As luck would have it, it was the last longboat to the ship which was setting sail to Plymouth. Joseph is presumed to have spent some time with relatives who first arrived in 1637, but, fled to the wilderness and settled in the back bay area initially. His son purchased the parcel of land in Falmouth/Westbrook now known as Prides Corner Maine. But the article cites "no evidence the elder pride ever lived there". The explicit notation of absense in light of the history is notable.

He was the unidentified King Killer, the single most hunted of all the King Killers, his existence remained hidden from all official records except for his gravestone, and the News Article. His actions secret from all but direct Family until long after it mattered, and had become unprovable. Family legend says it was Joseph in the Hood that day, an appropriate reward for Thomas's Actions in Prides Purge which set the trial and execution of the King in motion.

The Pride lineage of Prides Corner, is one Joseph Pride after another, every generation for TWO centuries. It is the Pride family's silent testimony to its history, the only safe testimony possible for such a hunted figure at first, and as decades passed for a forgotten one. The 1790 Census for Falmouth Maine for example lists Henry, Joseph, William, and a second Joseph, a Joseph for each generation when you count the Joseph Pride who died at birth in 1686, presumed first grandson of the King's executioner. The 1820 census* gives a tantalizing glimpse into the family secret listing both a Thomas and a Joseph and a Henry.

Multiple second born John, Thomas and Henrys over the years are interesting also given that Henry Ireton, and John Bradshaw directly served with Thomas and Joseph in multiple battles including Nasby. Nasby was the pinnacle of puritain glory, the defeat of the King by Parliment, the victory of democratic rule over absolutism. The families determination to leave a mark over 200 years makes the repeating second born Henry (for Henry Ireton) and Thomas (for Gen Thomas Pride) and John (John Bradshaw) repeat occurances in the midst of two full centuries of Josephs, a powerful statement of determination by multiple generations. You can believe it or not. Remaining children of this period also bear the names of the heros of the British Civil Wars New Model Army such as "Peter" for Peter Wentworth.

1790 Census

1820 Census

Revolutionary War Records

Further proof of this intentionally hidden history, hidden under pain of death, is til now undiscovered. Perhaps the trail of DNA on sites like 23 and Me can add something to the foundations of the Family Legend, and the truth, whatever it is, may be laid bare. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaniePride (talk • contribs) 19:12, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

And what has any of that got to do with the article? GraemeLeggett (talk) 21:02, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Execution of Charles I and abolition of the monarchy

I've been watching the recent TV documentary series on the execution of Charles and reading around, and I notice that the remark that the Commons passed an ordnance on Jan 4th 1649 to place the king on trial and that it was rejected by the Lords is apparently innacurate. That had already taken place. What the Commons declared on the 4th was that they were the supreme authority and this smoothed the way two days later for the ordnance to try the king for treason.

I lack the expertise to edit. Perhaps an expert might care to and provide citations. Соловей поет (talk) 01:41, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

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