Talk:SMS Crocodill (1860)

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Review: October 20, 2024. (Reviewed version).

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GA Review

Passed. Hog Farm _Talk 01:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:SMS Crocodill (1860)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Parsecboy (talk · contribs) 16:23, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 17:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will review soon. Hog Farm _Talk 17:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's good to see that you're back working at the GA level again! Hog Farm _Talk 01:31, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! It's been a long time coming, and I ought to get back into ACR and FAC as well. For a long time, I didn't need things that felt like homework, you know? Parsecboy (talk) 16:29, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it known why she was almost immediately put out of service upon passing her trials? It seems a bit odd to go through steps such as deconstructing the propulsion system that soon after the ship was built.
- The easy answer is, the Prussian Navy was chronically short of officers and crews, so they couldn't keep every ship in commission, and since this class wasn't really useful for things like peacetime training (in the same way as Amazone was, for example), these ships obviously didn't get priority. But it would probably be synthetic to talk about that here, since none of the sources (like Sondhaus's Preparing for Weltpolitik) make the connection explicitly. Parsecboy (talk) 16:29, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I personally don't think I would have handled this as a separate article, as the laying up material seems common to those ships of the class whose construction had been completed by then based on a skim of the class article, but that's more of an editorial decision. I handled CSS Wasp and CSS Hornet, who likewise had minimal service activities at the class article, and a couple years ago Sturmvogel 66 thought that even CSS Tuscaloosa (ironclad) would be better off as a class article with its sister, although I don't know if that ever got followed up on entirely.

Having this as a separate page is defensible though; if you think there's a good reason for a separate page I won't object. I don't really see any issues with the content, so that just leaves the spot checks to complete the review. I know the Internet Archive being down probably hampers the availability of sources for spot-checking - what sources would you be able to provide a quote from? Hog Farm _Talk 01:31, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I get your point about this article, but it's tricky, since all of the other ships warrant their own articles, so it seems a bit odd to just have this one merged into the class. I've done the same in some cases, like the Rhein-class monitors.

I can send you scans of the relevant sources, if that'd be easiest (though Hildebrand is obviously in German). I don't think I have your email, so if you'll send me one first, I can send them along. Parsecboy (talk) 16:29, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hildebrand would not be useful to me then; I can't read German. How about just Groner then? I'll go ahead and send the email. Hog Farm _Talk 04:09, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I didn't see this before I sent the email - I sent you Hildebrand, Groner, and Nottelmann. Parsecboy (talk) 10:08, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No issues with the sources I checked (1, 4, and both uses of 6 from this version). Passing. Hog Farm _Talk 01:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.