Talk:Scottish Gypsy and Traveller groups

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Article needs some cleaning up[edit]

It's a bit messy, I'd like to see some more references to Scottish travellers in Scottish culture.

I propose a history and a "in modern society" or something section.

More than one mixed group[edit]

Actually this article gives the impression there are only one ethnic group of travellers in Scotland there are Romanichal, as well as Irish Pavee and now Easten European Roma. I think the article should be split into its constute ethnic groups rather than just the Highland Traveller represented. Sunset through the clouds (talk) 14:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Appendix 12 Children Missing from Education (Scotland)[edit]

This source "Appendix 12 Children Missing from Education (Scotland) - Keeping in Touch - Gypsy and Traveller Children" might prove useful, for a section on education. --PBS (talk) 12:22, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Intended article move[edit]

I propose moving this article to 'Scottish Travellers' (capitalised Travellers) as this is the most common appellation for these groups, and to distinguish from others considered 'travellers' in common parlance, such as tourists etc. Comments welcome. RashersTierney (talk) 14:53, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Fine by me, makes sense but you better follow procedure and stick the page move tag on. Akerbeltz (talk) 15:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for reply. I've posted a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves since the requested term is already a redirect. Think that covers procedure. Am I mistaken? RashersTierney (talk) 16:31, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

Scottish travellersScottish Travellers — I propose moving this article to 'Scottish Travellers' (capitalised Travellers) as this is the most common appellation for these groups, and to distinguish from others considered 'travellers' in common parlance, such as tourists etc. Initial redirect needs to be overridden. RashersTierney (talk) 18:30, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Article now moved. Please fix any links to the original name and remove the "Movereq" tag if needed. Ben MacDui 09:00, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! Will do. Akerbeltz (talk) 10:48, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Move Scottish Travellers[edit]

With similar regards to the above post today I moved the name from Scottish Travellers to Scottish Gypsy/Travellers. In line with the Scottish Governments title of calling the groups as Gypsies/Travellers [[1]]. Calling all Scottish Gypsies Travellers would be inaccurate as some groups accept this title while others have a Gypsy heritage or identity. Kind RegardsUthican (talk) 05:45, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I've reverted your move (for now) - this was totally out of the blue and I'm really not sure the wording you chose was any better than the one we had before. Can we please talk about this? Akerbeltz (talk) 11:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay I was away from wikipedia for a while, sure we can discuss this. The term Traveller is too broad a label for people for the various ethnic groups. The Scottish government recognizes that not all Travellers call themselves Gypsies and not all Gypsies call themselves Travellers. To call everyone a Scottish Traveller further adds to confusion as people will assume all groups are Highland Travellers who were historically called "Tinkers" and are indigenous to Scotland. The government states the term Gypsy/Traveller refers to distinct groups - such as Romany Gypsies, Scottish and Irish Travellers - who regard the travelling lifestyle as being part of their ethnic identity. [[2]]Uthican (talk) 05:21, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Ah now I see where you're coming from. Ok, I'll tentatively sign up to that but that slash looks really ugly. Are there rules against using the word "and" i.e. Scottish Gypsies and Travellers? We'll need redirects from both Sc G and Sc T too. Akerbeltz (talk) 11:58, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
I could go with a rename along such descriptive lines, but definitely not with slashes, dashes or similar. Can we have a specific proposal? (Here is a link to the relevant MOS, for convenience.) RashersTierney (talk) 12:25, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
I have mulled over the various names along descriptive lines and thought about Scottish Gypsy/Traveller (as with the Scottish Governments usage), Scottish Gypsy/Traveller Groups, Scottish Gypsies and Traveller Groups, Scottish Romani and Traveller groups, Gypsy and Traveller Groups in Scotland. We also have pages like Anglo-Irish so the dash is used in other pages what do you think?Uthican (talk) 06:57, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Or 'Scottish Gypsy and Traveller groups'? RashersTierney (talk) 10:46, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
That sounds better, any objections to the change?Uthican (talk) 03:42, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

No, I'd be ok with Scottish Gypsy and Traveller groups Akerbeltz (talk) 10:59, 12 December 2012 (UTC)