Talk:Serdar Argic

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Wasn't "Serdar Argic" pretty well established to have been Ahmet Cosar of U. Minnesota? --FOo

Apparently so, but I'm a little leery to "identify" a real-life person and blame him for the Argic-bot. If you feel secure in doing so, then please go ahead. Modemac

As I recall, the "Argic Bot" was a little more sophisticated than just searching out "Turkey" as a word. It also posted to newsgroups that had something to do with the region in general - "Armenia", "Balkans", and most amusingly, newsgroups dealing with college fraternities (i.e., "Greek").

- For what it's worth, I can confirm that Ahmet Cosar (that's AhmeT, not AhmeD) was indeed the person posting all those messages, as the machine in question (anatolia) ran in the office where I worked at the U of MN and I sat next to him for a few months while our employment there overlapped. We were both Comp Sci students at the time. I doubt he was part of the Turkish Secret Police as I've read elsewhere on the web, but I don't have any evidence to support that one way or another. Sarvis (will get around do a user page someday :)

Googling "Ahmet Cosar" will get you the current location of a person of this name who was a computer science grad student at the University of Minnesota-Minneapolis in the mid-1990s.--Cam 14:44, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

I was around on Usenet in the early 1990s and it was pretty obvious to me that the original "Serdar Argic" was one and the same as "Hasan Mutlu", who fought a running battle with the Armenian "David Davidian" in most newsgroups simultaneously. From what I remember it was obvious to everyone. I suspect that those two were largely responsible for the killfile feature of news readers becoming standard. People were writing "T*rkey" to avoid drawing them in. Ahmed Corsar may have adopted the Serdar Argic label later, but for a while Mutlu and Corsar were both posting. Here is someone's Usenet signature from 1992:

     Kill Mutlus and Cosars wherever you find them
                     and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                     Mutlu followups also should be killed as 
                     they form a danger to rational debate.

I notice I'm not the only one with this theory. -- zero 16:35, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Why only one side is mentioned in the article, even though the real story involves two sides?

This guy seems have done some more of his posting in 2002 from the University of Toronto Medical Dept.

If you have something to add to the article, as long as it's NPOV, please do so. But right now you're blocked for deleting it, and vandalizing other Armenia articles. RickK 02:03, May 31, 2004 (UTC)

I haven't vandalized anything. You seem to attack anybody who disagree with you on these issues. Discussing a topic is something, blocking others is something else.
technically not vandalism. it's radical pov pushing. Badanedwa 21:24, Jun 3, 2004 (UTC)

Separated out references to Ahmet Cosar into their own section, wikified, added some details, removed references to other spammings (seemed unnecessary, as it's covered in newsgroup spam). My technical knowledge of Usenet and e-mail matters is almost nil, apologies if I garbled anything. --Cam 05:37, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)


Another Reference to Serdar Argic[edit]

Serdar Argic is referred to in the novel "Accelerando" by Charles Stross. The novel is available online (under modified creative commons license)


Ahmet Cosar is currently employed by the bogus “Middle East Technical University” in the illegal Turkish military base in occupied Cyprus…

His URL confirms the connection with the University of Minnesota…

You can all personally thank him via his email now…

Regards, GetReal! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Yet another reference.....[edit]

Cosar's homepage (with a photograph!) is

"Identity of Serdar Argic" section needs cleanup[edit]

The "Identity of Serdar Argic" section needs cleanup. Especially in light of this sentence: "If this is considered a "crime" I have nothing more to say." Is anyone willing to take on this challenge? --Takeel 21:08, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Lol, apparenly it was added by User:Ahmetcosar back in February. [1] I've replaced it with the original paragraph. —Khoikhoi 04:56, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Serdar Argic aka Mark Rivers and Rick Murphey is denizen of newsgroups that relate in some way to Turkey. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alistair Sim (talkcontribs) 00:41, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the section. It contained no citations and looked to me like speculation. --Pixelface (talk) 22:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

'Refute' vs. 'Disprove'[edit]

Adoniscik and myself disagree over the use of the above words in the opening sentence of the article. The disputed phrase occurs in a wikilik to Denial of the Armenian Genocide, which uses the word denial rather than refute (the latter can mean disprove - I am unaware of any proof in Serdar Argic's postings). The Serdar Argic FAQ claims that he indulged in personal attacks, claiming that Armenians were responsible for genocide against Turks, amongst others. Can anyone help resolve this dispute? Autarch (talk) 17:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Rename of Category[edit]

Some of you may wish to participate in the discussion on renaming the category Armenian Genocide deniers to Armenian Genocide skeptics. The discussion is here. --Anthon.Eff (talk) 18:18, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

This hasn't been deleted?[edit]

Why not just reference it in a Usenet page? This is hardly worth noting. I'm ashamed that I have to actually post this - there's no reason to keep this but not keep any of the retarded drivel that drains out of /b/. (Keep in mind, I wholeheartedly agree that barely anything that has ever been a meme deserves a Wikipedia page.) (talk) 22:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

relevant?[edit] The account will probably be deleted before long, but still interesting.  Aar  ►  07:26, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

It's gone now. Elassint Hi 00:55, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Fictitious Armenian Genocide Denier[edit]

Let me get this straight: This article is about a fictitious persona and that fictitious persona is categorized as an Armenian Genocide Denier. This makes Serdar Argic a fictitious genocide denier. That means there is no real person actually denying the Armenian Genocide, in which case this article does not belong to the category of Armenian Genocide Deniers. Correct me if I am wrong? Maybe I sound flippant in saying this but I just want to demonstrate the ridiculousness of creating wikipedia articles for the biographies of made-up personalities. Who is to say that the person behind the fictituous persona even believes these things? This article is worse than neighborhood gossip!

---Vikiyazar (talk) 21:22, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

The article is about a real person who used a pen name on USENET. That person's real name is pretty well known, actually. (He lived in Minnesota at the time.) Jonathunder (talk) 02:41, 3 May 2014 (UTC)