Talk:Shkreli (tribe)

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Name[edit]

This article should be moved to "Shkreli (clan)". Safetidhehyria (talk) 20:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Moved it, and I think the Skrijelj redirect should have its own article for the clan in Sandzak. What do other fellow editors think? Safetidhehyria (talk) 16:01, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
I don't agree. According to the wikipedia rules all relevant data about some subject should be presented within one article on the subject. There are many small countries in the Balkans and members of all Balkan clans live in more than one state. Take rivers for example. Some rivers on the Balkans flow trough several countries. It would be wrong to create separate articles for the portion of the river which belongs to each of them.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:28, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Let's not compare rivers to people. As far as I understand it the Sandzak branch, i.e. the one in the Tutin and Pešter areas, with few exceptions, no longer has an Albanian identity, so it is a Bosnian clan, not an Albanian one. If there are sufficient sources for the Bosnian clan, it should have its own article. Safetidhehyria (talk) 16:39, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Comparison I used is completely valid. The ethnicity some members of certain clan declare today or country they live in is irrelevant in this case. They are all members of the same clan because they share the same actual or perceived kinship and descent.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:47, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
I'll mull over it and will be listening carefully to other editors, but I saw lots of very angry IPs who screamed loudly at the name of the article being Skrijelj when the original location of the tribe is Shkreli, and then they moved to Sandzak via Rugova. Safetidhehyria (talk) 16:50, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Some other editor with pro-Bosniak position could percieve this clan as originally Bosnian, because members of this clan moved from Bosnia to Albania and then to Serbia. There is WP:NPOV and other wikipedia rules which should be followed.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:55, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Don't think so. No one has a clue as to where in Bosnia they came from. It's just a legend. And it would bring the story that the Illyrians retracted to modern day Albania following the Slavic invasion, which would be speculation, because there is no source to back it up. Anyways I made the move following vox populi, vox dei, but we could go with googlebooks or other wikipedia rules if we need to. Skrijelj doesn't have a majority over Shkreli, actually it is almost inexistant in sources for the clan. I'm afraid it's just you, :-). Safetidhehyria (talk) 17:09, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
  • No, its not me. User:Skrijelj named this article. If I was to name this article I would probably named it Škrijelji or Škrelji because it is the term used in the sources I would probably use. It would be good to check and what name is most common.
  • Edith Durham connected them with Jajce in Bosnia: "I was extremely interested to find that the Maltsia e madhe tribes, more especially the two, Skreli and Hoti, which say they come from Bosnia, the stronghold of Bogomilism, are freely tattooed on the hand, arm and sometimes breast, with designs that I at once recognised as common in certain parts of Bosnia, notably around Jaice, the old capital, where the last king was slain, and in these designs the sun and the crescent moon are almost always factors."
  • I think that it is wrong to rename numerous articles like you did and then to come to ask other editors what they think about it (What do other fellow editors think?) --Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:41, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Shkreli from Bosnia[edit]

I could see why everyone was so confused. The information out there about Shkreli and Skrijelj is poorly written and hard to understand. My father always told me that there was a migration of people that came down from Bosnia and we let them become part of out tribe. Out of respect they change their surname to ours or something similar to it. But the original Shkreli family has been there with the others tribes of Malësia since the split of the Illyrians. Those tribes are the oldest known since the beginning of Albania itself.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shkrel27 (talkcontribs) 04:50, 2 July 2013

Per Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources guideline "Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." Can you support your father's claim with such sources?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 06:13, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
It's actually known that supposedly Albanian-speaking peoples lived in Bosnia and had migrated south towards modern-day North Albania. The most commonly used clue is the presence of the surname Zotović among Bosnians, which in translation would normally be Božović (Alb. Zot = BCS Bog). I remember reading about this some years back but I'll look for references to back this up. --Prevalis (talk) 02:45, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

You see all you are doing is spewing some good old Serbian propaganda I can make a website and say whatever I want does that make it fact, because most of the garbage that is coming off of here is from unreliable sites. Another thin I have never met one Shkreli that is Muslim not one. St. Charles I have no clue why you would put he is our patron saint Its St.Nicholas. I have come to the conclusion that this website is broken and is completely false. I'm not even going to bother any more not worth the aggravation.

There are plenty of Muslims that are Shkreli, but they are Škrijelji. Škrijelji self-identify as Bosniaks now but descend from the Albanian Shkreli tribe. Some of them are relatives of mine... --Prevalis (talk) 02:45, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

This part: "Like many other tribes of Northern Albania, Shkreli came from the region whose population today speaks one of the Slavic languages" was removed due to the fact that the source itself cites Edith Durham. The latter was not a historian, and if we were to use her words as facts a lot of wikipedia articles would need to be updated. DevilWearsBrioni (talk) 23:09, 12 January 2016 (UTC)