Talk:Shopping mall

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How can I pronounciate it?[edit]

Is it mool or moul? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.234.227.15 (talk) 16:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

It's "mahl." 76.99.186.217 (talk) 01:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
"Mahl" as in "maul". Naaman Brown (talk) 17:00, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
In America it rhymes with "Paul" and everywhere else it rhymes with "pal". Spiderone 10:01, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Not sure about this. Pall Mall, London in the UK is pronounced to rhyme with "Pal" because of a historical connection with Paille-maille; The Mall, London is, in spite of the article, pronounced to rhyme with "Pal" or "Paul" more or less equally; and Mall as in "Shopping Mall" (which is extremely uncommon) is generally pronounced to rhyme with "Paul," except by older generations. In my youth in Australia, "Mall" (which is, per the arguments above, also pretty rare) was pretty much universally pronounced to rhyme with "Paul." Davidtmoore (talk) 16:28, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Yeah agree. In Britain, London's Pall Mall is referred to as pal mal, and uses a different pronunciation to other usages – e.g. when a Brit/Aussie/Kiwi would refer to a Shopping Mall (when referring to a shopping centre this would be very rare, but might be used, say, when talking about the subject in relation to a US-situation, '...I was in New York, and visited the Downtown Mall in Manhattan...'), likely sound would be same as US speaker, maul (as in paul) although an accent difference would still be noticeable of course.
Reminds me of the Brit-EN usage of letter E's in some sounds, and its dependance on being a noun or not, making its pronunciation usage different. The noun "Berkeley" (as in Berkeley, California) is pronounced by US and non-US people as BERK-eley, whereas Berkeley Square, London, should be pronounced by US/non-US alike as BARK-eley. However, the non-noun term "clerk" is gonna be clerk for US-speakers, but non-US speakers more prevalent as clark. Confusing for speakers of English as a foreign language, ain't it! But then this is common across many language forms. ...don't get me started on US pronunciation of Sheikh (sheek) vs. non-US inc. Arabic speakers (shayk), lol! ;-) Jimthing (talk) 18:03, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Mall[edit]

It seems strange that this article insists on suggesting that a shopping mall is anything other than recent history, indeed the etymology seems to develop shopping mall in very recent times, more recent than I suspect most would assume.

For example I cannot find anything that refers to "mall" prior to the 1960s as meaning anything other than a tree lined walk, with the exception of pall-mall which is taken supposedly from the game. OED online

Stirling Arcade

Most reliable info I can see gives the latest shopping "mall" definition as being from the 1960s. Indeed the article itself says "One of the earliest examples includes the Valley Fair Shopping Center in Appleton WI which opened in March 1955", which shows that the phrase "shopping center" was still in general use at that point.

Merriam Webster even go as far as to state that the phrase was first used in 1959: MW single word def. and MW phrase def.

The Online Etymology Dictionary gives it as a 1960s phrase: "Modern sense of 'enclosed shopping gallery' is from 1963" Chaosdruid (talk) 22:45, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, as this modern photo from Scotland illustrates, the term "arcade" was preferred in past centuries for similar structures serving the same purposes. Ought the article detail the changes of terminology? Jim.henderson (talk) 02:44, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Yes, the more recent shopping "mall" is quite different from the "arcade". Contemporary "malls" are architecturally undistinguished, for example, whereas many famous arcades are architecturally significant. The distinction needs to be upheld and the words disaggregated. For encyclopedic value - historically, linguistically and architecturally, there ought to be a separate article on shopping arcades. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 02:17, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Abolish the word 'mall'[edit]

People using senseless words should not be followed. It is a shopping or commercial centre, not 'mall'. The entry should re-direct to shopping centre and not shopping centre re-direct to 'mall' MB 206.28.42.242 (talk) 01:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Your stand might have more strength if you had some reliable sources to back it up. Wikipedia isn't to take sides, but I do think "mall" is more commonly used overall, whether it's 'right' or not. —ADavidB 12:39, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Concur with Adavidb. Also, you need to travel and get out a lot more. Once you've visited six continents (as I have) then you will realize that mall is far more common. Wikipedia policy on naming articles is to follow the more common usage. --Coolcaesar (talk) 17:23, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
"Mall" seems to be only a relatively recent American term for a place where undertaking a very long-standing and necessary activity - marketing for essential food items - which is not the same as modern shopping for uneccessary items. Such shopping as is done in malls is also also relatively recent activity. General shopping began in association with marketing in marketplaces. The Americans seem to have invented the new term "mall" when the purpose-built, permanent, protective structures for shopping (such as halls, centres and arcades etc) that were built in Europe, spread to the U.S. and began to be constructed there on an ever-increasing scale. Hence "mall" is only a narrow and recent term for one type of place where this ancient activity happens. Since the article needs to reflect that context, I agree with MB. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 22:28, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

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