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Trammell Crow Company[edit]

Trammell Crow Company article was a shopping center company. The Trammell Crow Company article was prodded and deleted as non-notable a while ago. Could an admin look at the deleted article to see if notability might be established after all? For information on the company's founder, see Trammell Crow. --Eastmain (talk) 03:15, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Shall this be considered your official request that a prod article be restored? With PROD, just like how anyone can remove the tag and end the process, anyone can request that a PROD article be restored. As an admin, I will happily restore it for you. Just say the word. SchuminWeb (Talk) 11:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Useful resources[edit]

I sometimes find a search on Retail Traffic magazine's site at a good way to find information on a mall. The other resources listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Shopping_Centers#Resources are also helpful. --Eastmain (talk) 03:15, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Indian Springs Mall[edit]

I would suggest the Indian Springs Mall in Kansas City, Kansas be added to the "defuncted mall" list. Resource information can be found at It operates today as an under-utilized not for profit office building and flea market. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Two problems. First of all, the defunct malls list which you speak of was deleted through the Articles for Deletion process. Secondly,, a blog, is not a reliable source for information. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Shopping Centers: Articles of unclear notability[edit]


there are currently 22 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with notability concerns. I have listed them here. (Note: this listing is based on a database snapshot of 12 March 2008 and may be slightly outdated.)

I would encourage members of this project to have a look at these articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability.

If you have any questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! --B. Wolterding (talk) 16:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

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I note that the articles chosen are Shopping mall and West Edmonton Mall. Any other articles that we should nominate? I haven't looked at them yet, but do the nominated articles need any work? Skeezix1000 (talk) 12:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, West Edmonton needs more sources and that damn trivia section removed. And how about the GA-class mall articles? Walden Galleria especially. (shameless plug) Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshellsOtter chirpsHELP) 12:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
"That damn trivia section" has been removed. No references on it whatsoever, so I just nuked it. SchuminWeb (Talk) 13:59, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Galeries d'Anjou, Anchors & Majors[edit]

Galeries d'Anjou#Anchors & Majors {{Unreferencedsection}} Could the contributor who added these data please reveal the source? Peter Horn 18:08, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Done. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshellsOtter chirpsHELP) 18:33, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Am I missing something? The floor plan used as a reference does not appear to contain gross floor areas, neither does it idenitify tenants as anchors or "majors". I might be missing the information, because the mall's website is pretty brutal, so I apologize if the information is obvious and I am just not seeing it. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 19:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Northpark Center[edit]

Hello, I'm having a slight disagreement with another editor concerning gross leasable area vs. total square feet. Could someone please stop by Talk:NorthPark Center and check out the discussion and perhaps clear up the disagreement. I appreciate your help, Postoak (talk) 04:22, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Logo in infobox[edit]

Hello, It would be good if some people could look at the discussion here. A logo and an image would be helpful and the logo could be used under the logo fair use policy. I don't see how adding a logo input to the infobox would do much harm if it only came up when entered. Thanks, JamesA >talk 11:28, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion[edit]

The article, Union Square (Pennsylvania), has been proposed for deletion due to notability concerns. --Polaron | Talk 13:17, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Utility of outlines to wikiprojects[edit]

Here's a discussion about subject development you might find interesting.

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Westmoreland Mall[edit]

The article Westmoreland Mall has also been proposed for deletion due to notability concerns. I've updated the article and added some sources to improve the article. (talk) 00:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't proposed or nominated for deletion, but tagged for questionable notability. I gave the article a read-over, and checked the sources, and three of the four sources provided are reliable, which I believe is sufficient to establish notability (the fourth is a user-uploaded photo, but I don't feel like arguing about that right now). Now for an article of that length, however, that's certainly not enough to go on. We do need more sources, but I don't think notability is questionable at this point. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:32, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Pier Shops at Caesars Incident Entry[edit]

Pier Shops at Caesars[edit]

This article, Pier Shops at Caesars, had an entry in the Incidents Section describing the Sept. 2009 accident which i corrected. the original version read as if it was a cut & paste from news without any references. The text mentioned the name of the person, the town he lived in and the company he worked for. I've edited the entry to have the same amount of information as the entry about previous incident. I need to disclose a potential for conflict of interest here: I knew the person involved and i am affiliated with the company he was employed in. Independent of this, however, i believe that the original entry: a) was not written in encyclopedia style - contained thoughts by the news story author without any references b) carried information irrelevant to the topic of the article (this information is still relayed in the now-referenced news article) If the community believes that the changes made decrease the value of the article and/or are biased, I will restore the original text --Smersh2009 (talk) 15:03, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Broadcasting Square[edit]

I have having difficulty improving the article Broadcasting Square. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Broadcasting Square. -- Eastmain (talk) 06:39, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Standards for Inclusion[edit]

Please see this article up for deletion, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/White_Oaks_Mall_(Springfield,_Illinois). Is there a guideline or essay for guidance as to which malls should be covered on Wikipedia?--Milowent (talk) 16:29, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

How to define the largest shopping center?[edit]

By gross area? retail floor area? certainly not by number of shops as a small shopping center can have more shops than a a bigger one. thanks. --Xaiver0510 (talk) 01:11, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Malls fall into 'Classes'. See the ICSC's official guideline for naming conventions located here. The largest are called Super Regionals Exit2DOS CtrlAltDel 02:48, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, but that doesn't quite answer the question in this case. Let me try rephrasing: When ranking shopping centers by size, do we discount the square footage of the common "mall" area and count only the leasable area, or do we count all enclosed space? SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
From what I have seen, total Enclosed Square Footage. As the management can place isle-way kiosks, temporary seasonal sales carts & even 'sidewalk sales' into that area, it becomes a sales/advertising space and income generator. It is rented out the same as a retail space would be, just usually on a shorter term. Yes, this would also includes Mall Offices, Work spaces & Storage units. Hope that helps. Exit2DOS CtrlAltDel 03:16, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I am browsing the wiki pages of shopping centers in Singapore and inside it poses several contradictory statements maybe due to being outdated information or such. Hence I like to clean it up a bit. I will try to find the information on Enclosed Square Footage, ranked them accordingly and update the wiki pages. Thanks again --Xaiver0510 (talk) 11:04, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

List of shopping malls, hypermarkets and department stores in Thailand[edit]

This list is in a dreadful state, as can be seen from its Talk page. It was nominated for deletion in 2007 but was kept after no consensus, though I suspect that was before it was included in this Shopping Center project. I'd like to improve it, but it's a daunting task and I don't want to go ahead with a lot of work unless there's some consensus first. So I've added a Talk page section, and would appreciate any thoughts or opinions on the best plan of action. Oscroft (talk) 08:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

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Plaza del Lago[edit]

I would like to bring this new article to your attention: Plaza del Lago. It uses the plaza's own directory and 'calendar' as references. As I'm not sure whether this is acceptable or not so I thought I'd bring it to the attention of people who might. Freikorp (talk) 23:11, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Nominated for deletion. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:21, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Thanks for noting this, Freikorp! Digging in, this center seems to have fairly good claim for notability. This source[1] claims it to be the 1st shopping center in Illinois. A 1996 Chicago Sun Times piece[2] says it dates to 1928--can someone pull a full copy of that one (its on highbeam)?--that is fairly old, just a few years after Country Club Plaza. I see other chicago paper articles behind pay walls as well[3][4][5][6][7] This one[8] from 1992 says, "the stores of Plaza del Lago, which says it's the nation's second-oldest shopping center" (as this this one[9]). It was originally called "Spanish Court". I'll try to start improving the article shortly, along with whoever else would like to help!--Milowent (talk) 05:42, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Marketplace Mall (Winston-Salem) VA Medical Clinic[edit],0,7133805.story (for verification purposes only)

I'm not real sure or comfortable in integrating this story in the Marketplace Mall article. I Provided the link for the story I hear on the newscast. There is possibly an article in "Army Echoes" about this clinic. Another contributor can take credit for the actual article work.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xsintricks (talkcontribs) 02:17, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Clarks Village[edit]

Would anyone be willing to take a look at Clarks Village? An IP editor is adding a list of shops/brands and I'm not sure if this is appropriate. Also looking at the project for a relevant infobox, I could only find Template:Infobox shopping mall but Clarks Village would never be defined as a Mall so I'm not sure if it is suitable?— Rod talk 16:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Taken care of. The directory has been removed entirely, and I placed a note on the IP editor's talk page underneath your message, asking them not to re-add the material, and that now that they have been asked nicely, future attempts to re-add may be viewed as disruptive. SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

The food court at Carrefour Laval[edit]

When I first saw the new food court at Carrefour Laval (opened 2009-11-01), where tenants are not allowed to use throwaway styrofoam plates which are almost universally used elsewhere, I was told that it was the first mall in Canada to implement such a system, but that another mall in the US was already doing it. However, I haven't been able to determine what was that other mall. Can anyone help me? -- Blanchardb -MeMyEarsMyMouth- timed 02:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

The Toronto Eaton Centre is renovating its food courts, among other things, and there has been significant media coverage of the fact that the new food courts will use reusable plates, with staff to clear/bus the tables. I just reviewed some of the news items to see if they mentioned other malls that had adopted this approach, but nothing popped up. Sorry. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced content[edit]

IP account making numerous unsourced edits to mall articles: [10]. Appears to be same account as [11]. JNW (talk) 23:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Looking at their contributions, they appear problematic due to sourcing, and so let's begin reverting... SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:35, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
I also threw them a personally-written warning. Hopefully they'll take the hint. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:43, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. Given the lack of response to numerous suggestions today, and the edit after your warning [12], I don't think hints work. Cheers, JNW (talk) 00:14, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, I just dropped a level 4 warning on them for original research. If it continues beyond this edit (their last as of this writing), you know where they're headed... SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:14, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

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Be advised, I have sent several "List of shopping malls in X" articles to AFD as I believe that these lists are unmaintainable in the long run, and that they lack proper sourcing.

Divebomb is not British 20:15, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Complexe Desjardins[edit]

There is a disagreement over having a building infobox at Complexe Desjardins, can someone provide additional input? (talk) 01:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


If anyone has some chance, it might be nice to get another opinion or two over at Talk:Chadstone Shopping Centre. The dispute centers on whether or not Chadstone is the largest shopping center in the southern hemisphere. On the one hand, there are a number of sources which say it is, while on the other hand there are shopping centers in the southern hemisphere, most notably Centro Comercial Aricanduva, which have a larger enclosed space and greater gross retail trade area. Opinions either way may help settle it. - Bilby (talk) 07:11, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Another pair of eyes?[edit]

Hi folks - don't know if anyone here might be able to lend a hand. A new editor, User:MyAllMyWorld, has started adding lots of stuff to List of shopping malls in Thailand, but there are a couple of important problems in that they're adding a lot of Bangkok stuff when we already have a List of shopping malls in Bangkok article, and they're also adding lots of stores which aren't malls. I've already reverted 3 times and have explained why, but they seem impervious. And as it's not vandalism, I don't want to revert any more (I also don't want to block, as I'm involved in this list article). I'd be grateful if anyone else could keep their eye on it too and do what they can to help if the new editor continues. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:36, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


I think it would be a good idea to change WP:SHOP to point to Wikipedia:Consensus#FORUMSHOP, as it has been linked various times from various dispute-resolution-related pages, and is obviously not meant to point at WikiProject Shopping Centers. I had a look at what links to the shortcut page, and there didn't seem to be anything that would be really tragically missed. Please let me know if I've overlooked something, though. — Mr. Stradivarius 09:55, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and made the change - sorry for doing it with no notice. Let me know if you have any complaints. — Mr. Stradivarius 10:01, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
I oppose the change. The shortcut strikes me as being far more relevant to this type of topic. You should wait for consensus (i.e. allow more than 6 minutes for the discussion). --Skeezix1000 (talk) 12:59, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
The majority of the links to the shortcut were intended to point here (more than 2:1); some of the others were intended to point to WP:PS rather than WP:FORUMSHOP. My view is leave well enough alone. If a change is made, though, the shortcut should probably just point to the DAB at WP:SHOPPING.--Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:20, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Algo Centre Mall collapse[edit]

As you may have heard, a mall in northern Ontario, Canada had a parking garage on the roof. It collapsed in on the mall, killing at least one, trapping one other (confirmed), and up to a dozen others (unconfirmed, no one can find them in town). My request is a fresh set of eyes, to see whether there's anything that can be improved in this article. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:03, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Also, being perhaps the only North American mall structural collapse, ever, and the article being GA, I was wondering if someone would consider evaluating this as mid-level importance in the WikiProject's template? -- Zanimum (talk) 17:00, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Square One[edit]

I would appreciate some input (either way) for the discussion at Talk:Square One Shopping Centre#Anchors and majors - I am dealing with an editor who doesn't seem to want to discuss the issue, but rather just keeps reverting. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 18:55, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Metro centre, Gateshead, - Trafford Centre , Manchester.[edit]

Someone please clarify, the larger of the two. MetroCentre_(shopping_centre),: or Trafford_Centre,:


Also therefore which one should be in on this list..

List_of_largest_shopping_malls_in_the_world ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:28, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Thirty malls prodded[edit]

Has anyone else noticed that there are a large number of prodded malls?  Unscintillating (talk) 01:22, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

  • Why so many? That would be odd to have so much show up at once, unless one editor is on a tear.--Milowenthasspoken 04:52, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

City Creek Center[edit]

There is an article on the City Creek Center that is in dire need of sourcing, referencing and rewriting. I would take it on by myself however I feel someone more experienced would do a much better job. all the info is there but the references do not add up to the content. thanks Wrightie99 (talk) 21:59, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

File:Ellsworth Place rendering.jpg[edit]

Currently, the article Ellsworth Place contains a drawing of the mall, instead of a photo. Since this mall currently exists, should we be using a drawing? -- (talk) 07:23, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

ANI thread re: some recent PRODs/AfDs/redirects of mall articles[edit]

There is currently an ANI thread that could probably benefit from editors familiar with this topic: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Mass_deletion_.2F_PROD_.2F_redirect_of_mall_articles_under_the_guise_of_WP:COI. Softlavender (talk) 07:00, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

@Softlavender: Thanks for posting. Here is the link to the archived discussion: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive892#Mass_deletion_.2F_PROD_.2F_redirect_of_mall_articles_under_the_guise_of_WP:COI Ottawahitech (talk) 15:30, 30 July 2016 (UTC)please ping me

Article alerts -- help please[edit]

I have added a new section Wikipedia:WikiProject_Shopping_Centers#Article_alerts to this project. I would appreciate someone placing this section somewhere more logical. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:22, 30 July 2016 (UTC)please ping me

Request for re-assessment of the article Plaza del Lago[edit]

The article Plaza del Lago in this Wikiproject (currently assessed as a stub-class article) is long since overdue for a re-assessment. I am requesting that an editor without bias towards this particular page (which I would possess, such disqualifying me from completing such an assessment myself) gives this article a new assessment. Much thanks!SecretName101 (talk) 20:09, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Popular pages report[edit]

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Help - mall redevelopment in Seattle area[edit]

The Totem Lake Mall is a topic I've been tracking almost since I started on Wikipedia. It's about to be reopened after major redevelopment as The Village at Totem Lake. Help and advice wanted; should there be a new article or continue with the old one? The infobox is getting pretty messy right now trying to work it into a single article. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:03, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello? Anybody? New mall is open, advice welcome. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:48, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

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