Talk:Side grip

A fact from Side grip appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 December 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that although holding a handgun sideways makes aiming very hard, it has become popular in movies and rap culture?

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"No benefit whatsoever"

I thought the supposed benefit of doing this is that you're less likely to be hit in the face by the ejected casing? Daniel Case (talk) 05:26, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly, though the sources do not mention it. And casings are ejected to the side anyway, not backwards. In all my time firing pistols I've never caught a casing in the face, although that can happen when the casing is reflected from an obstacle to the shooter's right. Sandstein 06:21, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that could look cooler if the casings are ejected to the side. They'd make a nice little arc over the shooter. Daniel Case (talk) 04:32, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, see here. This suggests it may have evolved from some circumstances peculiar to shooting in movies, including the ejection issue. Can we consider this reliable? Daniel Case (talk) 04:58, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, but all it says with respect to the casings issue is reproducing a forum post ([1]) without taking a stance on the issue itself. I don't think we can consider a blog quoting some forum post as a reliable source, but I'd be interested in adding any published information about this topic to the article. Sandstein 06:46, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that this style of firing handguns is indeed popular, and deserves mention. Whether or not it deserves its own article could be debated, but I think its practicality is a moot point. It's my opinion that a lot of criminals that hold or fire handguns aren't intending to be accurate, and are probably often wielding them to intimidate people. I can't quite back this up, but I think accuracy takes a backseat to the symbolic act of firing weapons in an enemy's direction. Chachilongbow (talk) 12:00, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can name two benefits: since recoil will send the pistol towards the weak hand (because of how the energy is transferred along the arm and the way the muscles resist said energy...) #1 the energy can be directed in a more useful manner towards other horizontal targets, helping to move the pistol quickly for faster target acquisition on multiple targets (since more of the energy will be directed towards the side and not up), and #2 helps the user keep the pistol on target easier, as horizontal adjustments are easier to make than vertical ones.. Not much of a real life reference for #1, as the only example I know of is in MGS3; however I have set up targets and used this style of shooting to some degree of success (not having sights sucks). #2 is recommended in an FBI manual I know of. http://firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi_m1076_instruction_guide.pdf , see page 25. Not much real use, but worth mentioning. Montross (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.17.99.140 (talk) 06:29, 20 May 2010 (UTC) I disagree with the recoil control. If shooting a large caliber revolver, holdign the gun sideways would cause the shooter to natrualy twist the wrist for ajusting the point of aim for a vetical fashion. If the gun is fired held sideways with the wrist twisted heavy recoil could easly disload the gun from the shooters hand or even possibly twist or strain the wrist of the shooter. A bullet must hit something to be effective. Holding a gun sideways makes accuracy almost imposible and therefore makes the gun almost useless as anything other than a fear inducing tactic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.29.147.47 (talk) 09:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Still from a movie

I think it'd be appropriate to include a screengrab from one of the movies mentioned, seeing as that visual itself is inherently of central importance to the article and so is likely to fall under fair use, according to my understanding of the subject. Thoughts? Seegoon (talk) 15:45, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support an {{external media}} link to such a still. The only image necessary is the one already in it. Daniel Case (talk) 18:44, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Joke

Very funny joke page, but why hasn't it been deleted yet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.219.131 (talk) 19:18, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Used on siteless pistols

The Seecamp miniature pistols have no sights but do have a ridge running down the side and this method works best on these pistols. 97.85.168.22 (talk) 03:57, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]