Talk:South Florida Bulls/GA1

GA Review[edit]

Unsuccessful. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 23:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Lee Vilenski Thank you for the review, I've added citations for the items you asked for below. Are there any other items that require citations or additional problems? Geolojoey (talk) 22:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't really a list of things that needed citing, it was an examples list. For your convenience, I've gone ahead and put citation needed tags in the article where they are neccesary. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you,

Done. Geolojoey (talk) 22:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Links[edit]

Prose[edit]

Lede[edit]

General[edit]

There's some uncited items here, could we look at that before we go much further? Examples:

USF varsity teams have won a total of 161 conference championships and 6 national championships. The school's athletes have won an additional 197 individual conference championships, 19 relay conference championships, 19 individual national championships, and 4 relay national championships. Bulls teams also have four national runner-up finishes in the NCAA and two in the ICSA, plus numerous individual and relay national runner-up finishes. Club teams representing USF have won 15 national championships.

This claim has many different citations throughout the article but would require 10+ links directly after this statement. I can copy them over from other parts of the article but it wouldn't look very organized. Geolojoey (talk) 22:40, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They were ineligible for the Division I-AA playoffs as they were to transition to Division I-A the following year. Done - The cited article does not directly mention USF but it states the same rule preventing Delaware from being eligible in 2024. Geolojoey (talk) 22:40, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The team grew rapidly and moved to Division I-A in 2001, where they remained an independent. In 2003, the Bulls moved to Conference USA, but they would leave for the Big East Conference in 2005. The Big East eventually became the American Athletic Conference in 2013 as part of the major college football conference realignment. Done Geolojoey (talk) 22:40, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Bulls lost their three remaining games, but played with notable improvements. Done Geolojoey (talk) 22:40, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some notable former USF football players are George Selvie, Jason Pierre-Paul, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, and Marlon Mack. Done Geolojoey (talk) 22:40, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, I think there's a real issue here with tiny paragraphs and subsections. There are 80(!!) sections in this article. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On this, the history section has eight subsections, but could easily just be two. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We never defined what USF is Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about some of these bold links. I get that we can bold suitable redirect targets, but really, the mascots? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baseball, men's soccer, men's cross country, men's golf, men's swimming, men's tennis, and women's tennis - these are easteregg links. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The WP:EASTEREGG issue is quite widespread in this article. It needs sorting. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Golden Brahmans' men's swimming team nearly became the first team in USF history to win a national championship - this is so verbose. "They nearly did a record", can we not just say they came runner-up? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The men's basketball team was founded in 1971 and was by far the most significant step in USF's young athletic history at the time - editorialising. What does this even mean? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Runners up" - this is plural in the sense of more than one "runner-up", not in that there was more than one member of the runner-up team. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article has so many "First time ever" and "first team in USF history". Its suggesting an importance that already exists because we haven't mentioned it before. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See In 1978, USF won the Sun Belt Cup (now known as the Vic Bubas Cup) for the first time as the Sun Belt Conference's all-sports champion for the 1977–78 academic year. They would go on to win the Cup again in each of the next four years and seven of the next eight - this could say that they won the Cup seven times from 1977 to 1985, but instead focuses on the first time and the rest as an afterthought. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article doesn't seem to denote acronyms at all. Just states the organisation name, and refers to them by their acronym later. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review meta comments[edit]

I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi, I took a look through, but the prose here and general formatting/MOS isn't quite up to GA standard. 14:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

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