Talk:Stefan Kaufmann (musician)

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Wikipedia:Notability (music): Kaufmann meets no. 5 with two different bands. This is backed by third party sources: the record sleeves. The record sleeves are not primary sources. The records are issued by record companies, not the band or the person. The record companies are independent sources, as they are not "independent" record companies. The primary source, the U.D.O. web page, is used only for biographical data in this article. I'll remove the tag questioning whether the article meets the general notability guideline, as notability is established through secondary sources. I'll also remove the tag requesting secondary sources, because the facts that are backed solely by primary sources are not likely to be doubted.--Odd M. Nilsen (talk) 22:22, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

The record sleeves are certainly not third party sources. Just like you cant use a book cover blurb to declare the author is notable.Active Banana (talk) 22:25, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
The record sleeves aren't proof the band is notable. They are proof Stefan Kaufmann played on the records. For such facts, like the title page of a book, the record sleeves are secondary sources. For claims of quality, perhaps even claims of notability if the requirements were stricter than Wikipedia's (where just the fact that the records are released on a major label is enough) - the record sleeves may be comparable to the blurbs on the back cover of a book. In short: the record sleeves don't claim notability, they are references for a fact which is the Wikipedia requirement for notability. As Kaufmann meets the requirements with two bands, a redirect is insufficent.--Odd M. Nilsen (talk) 09:28, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Please actually read WP:N - in order to have a stand alone article, the topic must have recieved significant coverage in third party reliable sources. None of the sources provided so far are from independant third parties- without such coverage, no individual notability can be established. Active Banana (talk) 12:54, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
In stead of the general notability guidelines, I have "actually" searched the special notability guidelines for music, as I've stated very clearly above. There's a list of criteria, where just one has to be met in order for a music ensemble to be regarded as notable. No. 1 deals with coverage in third party sources. But a different one, no. 5, states that two albums on a major label is enough. The text in italics below the criteria, state that an individual is regarded as notable if he's been in two bands that are established as notable. So the references in the article have to prove that he was a member of two bands on two releases each on major labels - which they do. Individual notability is established.--Odd M. Nilsen (talk) 19:58, 15 June 2010 (UTC)