Talk:Susuda

Articles on kings only mentioned in the SKL?

@SomeGuyWhoRandomlyEdits: I've taken the liberty to heavily edit this article to better reflect what is currently known about these persons named in the SKL, and to better reflect the fact that most of these early kings are not considered historical. Personally, I don't think this article is necessary at all, but I guess you could disagree with that. I've also toned down the editing and citations quite a bit. Zoeperkoe (talk) 15:52, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

• @Zoeperkoe: Why did you remove the approximated dates for his reign, his name as written in cuneiform, his successor on the SKL; as well as, all of the sources?--SomeGuyWhoRandomlyEdits (talk) 08:28, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Mostly because your edit is - to put it bluntly - not an improvement. Your style of writing, editing and layout is just too much - and this is something you've been told many times before. As for the dates: this person is probably not real - or considered so until new evidence emerges. Trying to frame this king as someone who actually existed, like your edit suggested, doesn't do justice to current scholarship about the SKL and its contents. As for the removed sources, while some of them could have been put back into the article, it might be better to put them in a further reading section - there is, at least in my opinion, no real need to spell out every variation on a name recorded on every document ever found. Wikipedia is about summarizing stuff - not about including every small detail... Or at least that's how I understand it... Zoeperkoe (talk) 10:03, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

• @Zoeperkoe: I'm not entirely sure I understand how my last edit to this article was too much. It was only 75 words in length (only five sentences or one full paragraph). The current revision is only four sentences long. At less than 10 sentences and 250 words in length, it's even more of a stub than my revision. Your revision also doesn't take into consideration two sources in my last one which state that Mesilim ruled just before the second dynasty of Kish or was the very first king of the dynasty.--SomeGuyWhoRandomlyEdits (talk) 10:45, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

The problem is that you're trying to write an article about something about which there's really nothing to be said. All we have is a name (Susada) that appears in a text (the SKL). This is the same as trying to write an article about a character that is mentioned once in some random novel. This is why I think that these articles should not be written, because I don't think that they meet the threshold for Wikipedia:Notability - but I guess you could (and you probably do) disagree here. As for your sources: I don't think a source like historyfiles, which you included, is reliable. Therefore, it shouldn't be used. Secondly, the extra information you include in your sources (with quotes like "The Electronic Text Corpus of Sumerian Literature (ETCSL), a project of the University of Oxford, comprises a selection of nearly 400 literary compositions recorded on sources which come from ancient Mesopotamia (modern Iraq) and date to the late third and early second millennia BCE.") makes it hard to read. Finally, including every subtle difference between versions (201 years or 200+N years), including their Sumerian spelling, is again just not necessary on Wikipedia. If people want to know that stuff, they can follow the links. Finally, as for who succeeded who, that information is also in the template Rulers in the Sumerian King List. I hope that helps! Zoeperkoe (talk) 11:08, 4 August 2021 (UTC)