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I would like to contribute much more to this page, inculding verifiable 411 about the Spartans. I am a Full Blooded Spartan, Greek and can flesh out the story much more accurately then legends can, based on family tradition kept secret until now.

Please Email me if there is interest


John Tsolometes @T Limited Logistics

From article namespace by User: --DanielCD 02:24, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Connection to Darth Vader[edit]

Skoteini Pleura literally means Dark Side in Greek. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes. And also Leonidas was a jedi knight.-- (talk) 18:39, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if anyone wants to look into it, but regarding the use of the Kaiadas as a place of punishment and burial for criminals, Thucydides mentions that the Spartans considered throwing the traitor Pausanias into the Kaiadas "where they cast criminals". I am reading from Book 1 Sect. 134.4 in Robt. Strassler's edition of Thucydides' Peloponnesian War (Simon and Schuster 1996). —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Connection to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles[edit]

It seems that for some reason, Taygetos has a rapid mutation effect to local population of turtles that brings confusion to taxonomical attempts by herpetologist. Both species of tortoises found in Peloponnese has developed some unique features in this region, in the case of Herman's tortoise it is genetic uniqueness [1], and in the case of the Marginated tortoise the local population has changed its morphology so dramatically in the last 10k years that at some point it was considered a different species(!!!)[2].--Draco ignoramus sophomoricus (talk) 05:06, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Tour Guide site[edit]


This site is not encyclopedic. Also, it sells a tour guide. There are some nice photos of Taygetus but then any tour brochure has nice pictures. If they were donated to commons then we could use them.Dave (talk) 08:53, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

This ref actually is a duplicate. It is included in the subsequent Mani link. But, this brings up an issue endemic to all these links. The links were established for business purposes. They all have buttons that lead to a part of the site that sells a book, a tour guide or facilities. But, the specified part of the site contains albums of valuable photos of Taygetus. Are these commercial sites? I reason as follows: the albums are maintained separately from mention of the items sold. The sales brochure part is the soft sell; prices are not mentioned. The authors of the site are persons who set out to explore and photograph Taygetus. The books and the guide business came later. I see this as a borderline case. The photos are a significant contribution. So, I for one am going say, this is acceptable for external links. This is only my view as a WP editor and reviewer and does not represent the result of any reviewed decision on the part of official WP. If you want to review it, this is one place to do it. Feel free.Dave (talk) 09:21, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

The refs, the refs[edit]

Hello MacCrackis. Thanks for your additional input. On this one, since the article is coming up from stub status, I'm putting the citations in standard WP format. So, I changed your citation to template:cite journal. It is a journal article, right? There is a url with your citation, so that went into url=. Too bad it is not available online anywhere else. We're not excluding JSTOR, neither are we selling them. Also, you repeated the Profitas Ilias fact under religion. No need to do that. Your first ref covers it. I see you've been on since 2005. I guess you don't do refs. In the future, you need to set up for references that are abbreviated. You can't just put "Waterhouse" and expect it to work. Here I would have assigned a name to the previous reference and just put the named reference below. If you wanted to change the page number you would use the template:harvnb scheme. I do agree with the bolding. Nice touch. Thanks.Dave (talk) 14:37, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

The TV show[edit]

I don't think the TV show is an encyclopedic ref. If you could specify the archive or a text of it or give the public some way to verify it other than that you saw it on TV in 2008 that would be helpful. Better still, it it was reported on TV there probably was a journal article on it somewhere or it may have been published in a book. Also I question those blue links in that section. The editor is assuming entirely too much, making a diagnosis of the remains on his own or interpreting the words of the TV show host to mean what the WP articles say. Well, really, do we need a link to "infant" here? Don't you think we know what an "infant" is? I would say an objective treatment does not insert our ideas of why the Spartans threw away some infants but goes back to the original or scholarly sources and gets their words and the interpretations of the scholars. What is mental retardation anyway? How do YOU know whom they threw away and why? Who says that? Some dude on a TV show you saw in 2008? Bad form, bad form. Compare this treatment to the treatment of Otzi, which is scientific. Now is the time to fix it if you are going to otherwise I will have to try to fix it.Dave (talk) 02:59, 6 September 2011 (UTC)