Talk:Teaching of Jacob

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Citing[edit]

CltFn, you need to cite better. "Doctrina Jacobi V.16, 209. [p. 57]" is not very meaningful. It's not a full citation and doesn't mention translator or anything. Please fix that pronto... because it's not the same translation as used in Hagarism (and it also quotes more). You also need to put page numbers next to your Crone references. Books need page numbers referenced. gren グレン 16:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I also don't see "Judeo-Arab" as being used. You'd also have to clarify what that means. Jewish "ethnically" as we now see it or an Arab adherent of Judaism? I am going to remove that until you give me a credible source that uses such a phrase.

I also would not say "presumed by most to be Muhammad" because 1) you don't cite anything near "most" and 2) it's implied that it is the prophet of Islamic tradition... but that is not necessarily Muhammad. I think I portrayed it in line with how Crone presented the source... but it gets across the same point. You also need to cite where you make the jump that Jews and Arabs were fighting the Byzantines... I don't see that in Crone (point out the page number if you want to add it)... What she calls exceptional is that the prophet is portrayed as alive during Conquest of Palestine. Later in the book she makes the argument for a Jewish-Arab alliance... but she doesn't mention that about the Doctrine Jacobi (once again, if you have the page that says that, tell me) But, the fact that the prophet was an Arab who preached Jewish messianism does not make it a Jewish Arab alliance... gren グレン 17:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, It talks about "Judeo-Arab intimacy" but it doesn't mention a joint invasion. If you want to re-add it just give me the page numbers you're talking about. Also, I tried looking for those two quotes... I couldn't find.... at the bottom of page 7 I found something _very similar_ to the second quote but it wasn't the same. I'm going to remove them if you don't give page numbers in due time... because, that's pretty important. But, I really haven't changed your article very much so I don't think this will bother you too much. gren グレン 17:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reference 2, "Averil Cameron" lacks mention of book or page. Both should be added. Mcljlm (talk) 09:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Quotations"[edit]

Isn't it a little weird that the so-called quotes showed in this article are not actually quotations from the Doctrina Iacobi itself, but from the academic works that discussed it? I'll rephrase that section. Rsazevedo 23:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Balance[edit]

This needs to be rewritten. The brief mention of Islam (unsurprising in a text written late in the reign of Heraclius) is interesting, but should not be the focus of the article. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:08, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Written in[edit]

The first sentence ends "set in Carthage in 634 but written in Palestine sometime between 634 and 640.[1][2]". The first reference, quoted in References and notes is "in all probability written in Palestine within a few years of that date" from https://books.google.co.il/books?id=Ta08AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA3&dq=%22in+all+probability+written+in+Palestine+within+a+few+years+of+that+date%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjMytbSncjjAhU_SBUIHbTRACYQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=%22in%20all%20probability%20written%20in%20Palestine%20within%20a%20few%20years%20of%20that%20date%22&f=false. At the moment the second reference is not exact enough to be checked. Is there any reason not to insert "probably" before "written" Mcljlm (talk) 10:13, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Such a holey article[edit]

What do you mean "Islamic tradition proclaiming the advent of a Jewish messiah?" Makes no sense. We Muslims aren't waiting for the messiah that the Jews are waiting for. Clearly who ever wrote this article knows nothing about Islam. ThePerson67911 (talk) 01:00, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's apparently what it says in the text of the document (which was not, of course written by Muslims). AnonMoos (talk) 17:40, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]