Talk:Tenebrism

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So what's up with the undos? Is this another one of those pages on Wikipedia that someone has chosen to "own" and will not accept any changes to their deathless prose? "Violent" contrasts in dark and light? Really? How many people have died from Chiaroscuro? I'm not sure I know what the candle was named, Gerrit van Honthorst, or Rembrandt... your reference is not clear. How did Caravaggio keep these later painters "under his Influence?" Hypnotism? Or were they merely influenced by his work? Frankly this is a serious problem with Wikipedia: lousy writers who can't accept changes to their work and who sit waiting ever ready to pounce and undo anything that interferes with their undying legacy. Even when they are clearly wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevegray (talk • contribs) 22:27, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The entire content can be included as it is, without losing any text, in Chiaroscuro, which needs to be mentioned, even in a bare definition of Tenebrism, which doesn't stand well alone. If there are no objections, I'll do this, leaving a redirect here. --Wetman 06:57, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I'm for that. Chiaroscuro and tenebrism are so closely related, I've seen references stating that Caravaggio developed both.

good idea, do it

i'm all for it, joe dimaggio! ~_uNcLe94U_~

It makes sense to merge the Tenebrism text with the Chiaroscuro. Suggestion: Connect the two with an explanation of how T evolved in relationship to C --what the difference would be (give examples). Thanks! 65.147.77.206 17:29, 26 December 2005 (UTC)lah[reply]

I say merge itTom 21:41, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

They are not quite the same thing. Chiaroscuro refers to the use of light and shade in a work. Tenebrism denotes a style (especially of the Baroque era) that's predominantly dark or nocturnal.203.54.180.229 13:47, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chiaroscure is more about creating shadows on some parts of a painting. As said before, tenebrism is predominantly dark. In tenebrism only a very small part of the painting is put in a 'spotlight'

-Well, I think they still have some sort of relation and should be merged.

- Tenebrism should be merged with tenebroso. The article title should be preferably tenebroso, to keep with the naming theme: sfumato, chiaroscuro... --Navaburo 18:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- I think that 'Sfumato' is the advanced realtive of chiaroscuro;tenebrism has more to do with dramatic lighting than value.Sdlc 16:11, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

-Needs to have some sort of connection, but keep the two on separate pages.

- I would agree that the article for tenebrism is small, but it does stand well on its own. It is a different (even if somewhat related) technique than chiaroscuro. I would be supportive of adding links between the two to show the relation and evolution between them.

They are related but are certainly not the same. They should be left as two separate articles but linked to one another.

---Tenebrism is light, illuminating the scene from one direction and chiaroscuro is is the light placed against a darker part of the scene. While they seem the same, they may stand alone in art or be coupled together. The definitions are distinct from one another.

Last call for merge comments

most seem against; on the other page even more soJohnbod 00:37, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tag now removed Johnbod 17:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology

It seems to me that Latin tenebra, "shadow", would be a more appropriate origin. Does anyone have a source? A quick look (etymonline.com) didn't turn anything up. Golwengaud (talk) 18:56, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Britannica (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/587198/tenebrism) and Merriam-Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tenebrism) give tenebrae (shadows) as the origin, but ArtLex (http://www.artlex.com/ArtLex/t/tenebrism.html) gives tenebroso. I'm going to leave it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Golwengaud (talk • contribs) 18:04, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]