Talk:Terrible Ted (bear)

Picture and personal life

I think this article would benefit from a picture more than most other wrestlers' articles. If we could get one, it'd be grand. Will have a search myself. Also, do we need that final paragraph in the personal life section? It has nothing to do with Ted, only with McKigney. – Richard BB 08:54, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

A picture would be great. I'm not familiar with the uploading process or fair use rules, but have certainly seen some around the web. I think the paragraph about McKigney's death is relevant. He was a huge part of Ted's life and career, as a trainer, manager, "father" and most frequent opponent. He's mentioned quite a bit in this article, and I think readers may reasonably wonder what became of him. As he doesn't have an article of his own, this seems the best place to mention it. It could be shortened a bit, I guess. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:54, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Bear and McKigney

Hello, Thanks for this enjoyable page. I noticed it was orphaned (no other pages linked to it) so I added some links on other pages so it is no longer an orphan. I also renamed it in accordance with the Wiki style for individual bear pages (e.g. "Brutus (bear)" or "Knut (polar bear)", that sort of thing). If you can link to this page from any other pages (the bear wrestled a lot for different promotions so maybe there are more promotions from which you can link) then that would be even better.

I also noticed this bear is mentioned in some books on Google Books so maybe if I have time I can add some more sources to improve the page. I am generally interested in improving pages on individual bears and associated individuals. Speaking of which, it would be great if someone could do an individual page on Dave McKigney. He seems to be mentioned on a lot of Wiki pages and I found some discussion of him in books as well when I was reading about the bear. So it seems like he merits his own page. I don't think I'm knowledgable enough about wrestling to write it unfortunately, I just like bears. TheBlinkster (talk) 14:47, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the links. Orphan bears are a sad thought.

I disagree with adding the "(bear)" part, though. Brutus and Knut aren't similar for being bears, but for needing the qualifier. Plain Brutus and Knut are for different things. This bear is the primary topic for "Terrible Ted", so the extra bit's pointless. Like with Old Ephraim or Sooty. I'll move it back, but if you insist, I'll hear you out.

I can see your point about "Terrible Ted" being a distinctive name as opposed to a name like "Brutus" or "Knut" or "Winnipeg" or whatever. I also note that some of the bears like Brutus and Bart go by "Brutus the Bear" or "Bart the Bear" so making it "Brutus (bear)" or "Bart (bear)" is similar to their actual name but fits with Wikipedia style. (Although I am not sure about "Bart (bear)" because that particular bear was such a high profile actor and always went by "Bart the Bear" the name seems to be that instead of just "Bart".)

However, the flip side to having "Terrible Ted" or "Old Ephraim" just by themselves is that the reader looking for articles specifically on bears does not know these are bears just from seeing the page name in a list. You see a name "Terrible Ted" in a list of wrestlers, it gives the impression that "Terrible Ted" is a human being, when in fact he is a bear, which arguably sets him apart from all the other wrestlers who are humans. There's also an argument to be made that "Old Ephraim" should be "Old Ephraim (bear)" so you know what it is, but that's not as strong as the "Terrible Ted" case because "Old Ephraim" is not a member of a group that's 90 to 99 percent human or some species other than bear.

There are likely other ways to accomplish designating these pages as bears, such as a redirect, using a text like "Terrible Ted (bear)" in the list pages but linking to "Terrible Ted", and just making sure the pages are included in the "individual bear" categories (already done) and on the page List of individual bears (Ephraim was already there and I added Terrible Ted and even made a section on "wrestling bears" since there are two of them on the page and likely more out there who might be notable). I would propose at this point you leave the page where it is but I will state the name of the page in the page links as "Terrible Ted (bear)" but it will go to the page just named "Terrible Ted". TheBlinkster (talk) 11:59, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd always known him as "Bart the Bear", too. Just calling him "Bart" seems like calling William Afflis Dick (Bruiser). But Wikipedia is weird sometimes. Thankfully, it's also a work in progress.

Makes sense to note he's a bear in wrestling (or maybe "sportspeople") lists, but goes without saying in bear lists and categories.

Ginger was another of the most famous wrestling bears. I'd noted this in the pro wrestling article, but it was thrown out with "heaps upon heaps of shite". I'd had a feeling this wasn't a complete orphan. Back now. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:24, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Please feel free to add any of the famous "wrestling bears" to the subsection for wrestling bears into the article for List of individual bears. They don't need to have their own Wiki articles yet as long as they are reasonably well known and the info follows the format for the two bears already there. I'll probably work up some articles eventually for bears on the page that don't have articles yet. I checked the links for Terrible Ted and I think the way it is set up now is fine. Nice chatting with you! TheBlinkster (talk) 19:58, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I thought about making a Dave McKigney, but got distracted by a monkey wearing a sheepskin coat. Now the monkey's in my sandbox instead, and is moving toward mainspace at a turtle's pace. At this rate, I'd only finish McKigney's far more intricate story after we're all dead. But yeah, good idea for a more efficient creator. He was quite the character. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:09, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I understand about too many subjects and too little time. Perhaps at some point someone will at least get it started and then we can all add. I would like to have pages on both him and Andy Robin (Scottish wrestler who trained Hercules the bear who wrestled on the UK circuit before he became a TV and film star). This is a subject of interest.TheBlinkster (talk) 11:59, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Explanation for mauling

Seems likely that the Bear mauled the woman in the house because it was being used to wrestle, trated terribly and therefore probably didn't like Humans. 86.2.213.25 (talk) 19:24, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Would a bear that didn't like humans jog from Newmarket to Bradford to benefit the Ontario Society for Crippled Children? Sure, it seems like a walk in the park next to the Fox who ran for Hope, but if Terry was born with bear legs, he'd have given up after seven miles, too. We don't know what went on behind open doors between that stumpy hero and his able-bodied woman, and it's disrespectful to speculate. You want to punch down, shit on the trials and tribulations of Oscar Pistorius, like a normal person! InedibleHulk (talk) 08:03, 23 March 2020 (UTC)