Talk:The Betrothed (Manzoni novel)

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Don Rodrigo's bet with his cousin[edit]

I added the detail of the bet since it emerges as the main motivation for the action of Don Rodrigo (cfr. chapter 3, chapter 7 and chapter 11). The content of the bet is not explicitly stated in the account of Lucia, who has heard Don Rodrigo and Count Attilio talking about it (chapter 3), but it is clearly implied that it is a sexual intercourse with Lucia before her wedding. --Bg69 (talk) 21:01, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


I find this comment "Many Italians believe that the novel is not fully appreciated abroad. In Italy the novel is considered a true masterpiece of world literature and a basis for the modern Italian language [...]" incredibly thick and vaguely offensive as well. It seems that, practically, the only thing an English speaking reader can say about this novel is that those dim-witted Italians - incredibly - find it good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:25, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

That statement has a source, and I can colloquially tell you that it reflects the feeling among Italian language enthusiasts, but is not just directed at English readers, but also the Germans, French (specially so) and others. You will find that the French have similar feelings on similar artistic issues. Res gestae Treccani (talk) 19:43, 25 April 2016 (UTC)


I am rather surprised reading that Lucia can be "egotistic and somehow cruel". Perhaps this refers to the night at the Innominato's castle, when she takes the vow of virginity to save herself, which of course will cause great sufferings to Renzo, and to her too. Anyway, a reader who does not fully know the book could form a strange idea of this character, reading the definition "egotistic and... cruel".--Pebbles (talk) 17:13, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Connection with "Ivanhoe"[edit]

At the bottom of this article there's a link with Scott's "Ivanhoe." There may be a connection between the two novels, but in neither this article nor the article on "Ivanhoe" is any connection made explicit. Is this just an error on somebody's part? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:43, 18 March 2017 (UTC)