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Progressive Metal (again)

Well, I was evidently mistaken when I heard that Wikipedia valued objectivity. I have repeatedly added "progressive metal" to The Mars Volta's genre list, listing what I thought was a semi-ridiculous number of six sources referencing it. I could've added more. Rolling Stone, Stuff Magazine, AOL Music, Allmusic, and several other reputable sources list TMV as belonging to this genre, and Wikipedia's own "list of progressive metal bands" page features TMV. Encyclopedic content must be verifiable. If The Mars Volta's classification as progressive metal is not sufficiently verifiable as it was, then I will be glad 10+ sources to the list. Frankly, I don't even classify them as prog metal, I've just taken up this cause to see if genre objectivity outweighs the personal opinions of certain wikipedians who think that simply because TMV do not sound metal to them, they cannot be metal, no matter how many external sources classify them as such. I've said this numerous times before, but for the sake of hammering it in, Wikipedia is not about what YOU personally think. It is about what can be verified objectively. Regardless of whether or not The Mars Volta are prog metal to any of us individually, they are thought of as such by, in my humble opinion, a fair amount of reliable sources. Seriously, how many do I have to cite? I'll try for 10 next time, and see if that gets the job done. Not that I suspect anyone bothered to even glance at the sources. I suspect the delete key looked far more appealing than bothering to go through the strenuous effort of the mouseclicks needed to actually bother looking at them. Razorhead (talk) 03:52, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

The Mars Volta are a good band. Does it really matter what genre they are? Let's just pick a name and stick with that, cuz seriously, who cares that much about a genre? You're turning this into an epic battle of "what type of music is TMV?" when really, I don't think anyone else cares that much about it except you. Personally I don't care what genre is listed, as long as it's a somewhat accurate cross-section of TMV's work. Progressive Metal, Progressive Rock, Experimental Rock, Psychedelic Rock, it's all basically the same thing; an advanced, complex alternative take on the rock/metal genre. Personally I would rather take the time to edit, fix and update the history, prose and various spelling and grammer mistakes on this page than fight endlessly over one word. --Pritoolmachine2806 (talk) 16:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
No one seems to get my point. My point is not that I really care whether or not TMV are "prog metal," I just care about the principles of Wikipedia, which is that if TMV are recognized as a certain genre by enough reliable sources, they should be considered as such by Wikipedia. I posted SIX reliable sources that referred to them as such and the genre has been removed numerous times. I'm really trying to avoid an edit war, but this is completely moronic. You can't really argue with the fact that plenty of sources consider TMV prog metal. Ergo, they should be referenced as this genre by Wikipedia, an ostensibly objective encyclopedia. I think everyone is missing my point. How many times do I have to say this - this isn't about whether or not I personally care if they are progressive metal, it's about objectivity, which very few of the genre editors of this page seem to value. --Razorhead (talk) 03:00, 6 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.119.244 (talk)
Dude, I really don't understand why you keep fighting this. The Mars Volta are not, in any way, shape or form, a metal band. They are a prog rock band, not prog metal. Nothing about them is metal. Bands like Dream Theater are prog metal, and sound absolutely nothing like TMV. You can find sources that will say virtually anything, that doesn't make them correct. The fact that TMV won a best rock grammy, and were named best prog rock band in 2008 should clue you in that they aren't metal. You're fighting a losing fight. CorpusDei (talk) 04:29, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Sir, you haven't presented me with a single shred of objective evidence that TMV aren't progressive metal, other than your own personal opinions and the fact that they sound nothing like Dream Theater. Well, Opeth and Mastodon sound pretty much nothing like Dream Theater. Does that mean they aren't prog metal? Pink Floyd don't really sound like King Crimson, why are they the same genre then? Your logic doesn't follow through. The grammy issue - Tool have been nominated for the same Grammy as TMV (best hard rock performance). Does this nullify their classification as metal? Since when are the Grammys a better source for genres than allmusic and Rolling Stone? And about the sources - well, yeah, if I find enough sources to clarify something fairly subjective like a musical genre, then yes, they are correct, at least as far as Wikipedia should be concerned, assuming this encyclopedia values objectivity. I may be fighting a losing fight, but I really don't see how anyone can logically argue against this objectively. Subjectively, sure, one could make the argument that TMV aren't prog metal. But it's tough to argue with that many reliable sources. Give me one objective reason why all of these sources should be thrown out the window other than that they don't sound metal to you personally and I'll consider dropping this. --Razorhead 3:12, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Progressive Metal

I humbly suggest that "progressive metal" be added to their genre list. This is not because I think The Mars Volta sound particularly "metal", but because I have found a fair amount of outside sources referring to them as such. For just a few examples, see http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:hcftxq9dld0e , http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/20200609/page/39 , http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/gig-reviews/507108, http://music.aol.com/album/the-bedlam-in-goliath/1355351 . If one inserts The Bedlam in Goliath into a computer and rips it with Windows Media Player, it is classified as Metal. I'm not exactly sure how one would document that though. Cedric and Ikey were featured on a Mastodon album, and they've toured with experimental metal acts like System of a Down. Anyhow, I think this warrants serious consideration after taking into account how reliable sources like allmusic classify them as prog metal and Rolling Stone refers to "metal riffing" in their songs. Razorhead (talk) 2:07, 26 November 2009

playing with "metal" acts does not mean the band itself plays metal. i'm not sure what you think constitutes as prog metal, and i'm also not sure why it's so important that you need to add two words to an article that doesn't need them. the mars volta does not exhibit any characteristic considerable enough to constitute them as progressive metal. there's influences and then there's coincidences. i'm leaning towards to latter in this situation —Vanishdoom (talk) 04:33, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree that playing with prog metal bands does not automatically render them prog metal, but I think you're ignoring a large part of my argument, which is that they have been referred to as such by numerous outside sources, and the ones I used for examples are all reliable, unless anyone wants to argue that allmusic or Rolling Stone aren't good sources for musical information. Personally, I wouldn't necessarily classify them as prog metal, but genre information on wikipedia is based on what the sources say, not what I personally think. And even on a personal opinion basis, while perhaps a prog metal classification isn't entirely accurate to me, I can see where these people are coming from. I mean, listen to such beserk/heavy tracks as "Cotopaxi", "Halo of Nembutals", "Day of the Baphomets", and well, pretty much anything off The Bedlam in Goliath, especially "Ouroborous", "Cavalettas", and "Goliath". I think you focused more on the little details of my argument than the actual meat of it. Razorhead (talk) 7:07, 27 November 2009

If there is to be no further discussion and if no one has any objections to the genre, I'm adding progressive metal to the list. As I've demonstrated, there are plenty of reliable sources labelling them such. Razorhead (talk) 4:41, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Heroes (Tv Series) rips off The Widow music video

There is a character on Heroes who's eyes turn black and cries black goo when she performs her power. Her victims eyes also turn black but they don't cry black goo - they die. Is this a semi-direct rip off of the video? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.93.246 (talk) 17:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think tmv invented black goo tears. I also don't have any reason to believe the heroes writers knowingly ripped off the video. But who knows... Zopwx2 (talk) 01:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
If anything, Heroes ripped off The X-Files. This is more in the style of the extraterrestial black goo that appeared in the series rather than Volta's video. —Vanishdoom (talk) 01:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Have you guys ever noticed that other groups of people seem to making this organised noise called "music" as well as the Mars Volta? Maybe they're ripping Omer off.
I kid, seriously though, I bet hundreds of people have done something like this in a video. Olliemilne (talk) 04:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

New Info

[1]

This article contains a pretty in-depth retelling of the history of the band.

Very true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sell0183 (talkcontribs) 19:03, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Where are they based?

Okay, i'm wondering where they are based and living. I know they're from El Paso but I have heard that currently they're based in Long Beach, which seems weird to me even thought Tremulant was recorded there. It would make sense for them to still be in El Paso but i'm not sure. I've also noticed someone keeps changing their origin to different areas.

The band started in long beach and I don't think any of them have lived or worked in el paso since before at the drive in broke up. And as far as I know excluding Omar the rest of the band lives in and around LA. Ikey is the only one I know for sure who lives in LB. Zopwx2 23:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
They moved to Long Beach after meeting up with Ikey to start DeFacto. They've been based there ever since. CanbekEsen 23:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Timeline

So I just revamped the timeline! hooray. But If anyone would kindly give me exact dates of everyones joining and leaving the band, the timeline could be made more accurate. Zopwx2 05:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

There are specific reason I did the timeline the way I did and that's because other wise it's fugly and hard to read, I had it ordered in terms of instrument played and then had it coloured coded to distinguish it from one another and when they're palced directly on top of each other like this it's easy for comparison and telling what a certain lineup is at a certain time, now it's just this massive clump of unorganised mess, almost as bad as the Slayer one. You you plan to "revamp" the timeline make sure it's done well.

I was actually going to remove the timeline altogether becuase I didn't feel it was necessary, not to mention I thought the original was alot harder to read than the new one (massive and clumpy as it is). In addition it can't be that usefull considering its inaccuracy at the moment. Once we find more specific info it won't be a problem. Zopwx2 06:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
It's perfectly fine, you just need to start learning that this page isn't yours and you need to stop trying to put your own little mark on every piece of information inserted on to it. And if you can think of a way to better represent complete line ups of the past get rid of mine and go for it, just don't turn mine into a shit heap like before.
Could you do it without the rainbow of colors? Btw someone will yell at you for putting flea in there soon, just a heads up.Zopwx2 06:58, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I was going to try and get more colours because without them it might be hard to distinguish between them, but if you've got a better colour scheme in mind go for it. Also for clarification, I'm fine with you editing it, I just want them to be improvements rather than crapping them up.
[2] , but then again I know jackshit about these charts and im not even sure if this even applies Zopwx2 07:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok I changed them to cooler colours, what do you think?
Good job I like it. But won't it be hard to change to it later when we find more specific dates when its set up in the year format and not exact dates? Plus maybe we should drop flea to stay consistent with what was agreed upon in the Guest musicians section? Zopwx2 07:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
The Years are done in decimal places so I'm sure it can be worked out, and I put flea there just for the sake of not having white space, if you feel he shouldn't be there than we can take him out.
I don't mind, but I know some other people will considering they didn't appreciate it when I left flea/frusciante in as members. Zopwx2 07:40, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, now thinking about it I think he should be removed just because I've got him down until June just because thats when De-Loused came out but Juan was playing with the band since April/Earlier.

Exact dates (so far):

  • JMWard 2001 - May 25, 2003
  • Pablo May 24, 2005
  • Blake - July 28th, 2006
  • Deantoni - October 27th, 2006
Omar has also stated in interviews that Blake was in the band for a month before being kicked out in the beginning who formed in June 2001.

Could someone update the timeline and reinsert it? I couldn't figure it out:

Timeline


It's completely fixed now but some asshole removed it, please don't

STOP removing the timeline. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.183.253.203 (talk) 10:28, 30 January 2007 (UTC).
Jesus Christ I don't know what happened to the timeline this time but what were they thinking? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.183.249.71 (talk) 11:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

I (cgilbert) am responsible for the new alternate version of the timeline shown below:

Member Timeline

I think that this version of the timeline is easier to read and gives more information in the way of the instruments that each musician plays. Perhaps we could have a vote from all the editors of this article as to which timeline they like more, and perhaps that will settle the issue. If you like the original condensed timeline vote for "original"; if you like the alternate expanded version of the timeline vote for "alternate". Thank you - cgilbert(talk|contribs) 13:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of which one we end up using, I think the original needs to have marcel join a bit later, becuase I can't recall him playing with the band until after juan joined. Although I could be wrong Zopwx2 18:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Well I do remember seeing pictures of Marcel playing along side Ralph Jasso but I put 2002 in as a join date because I seem to remember that year being mentioned by Omar in an interview.
As a color blind user, I'm having trouble making out that light yellow from the white background. Can any other color be used here, or perhaps an outline? --oKtosiTe talk 12:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


- I don't know about anyone else, but I find it quite annoying that the timeline stretches my page. Would it not be possible to make a timeline which begins when the band was formed? That empty space at the start seems to be one reason why it stretches the the page. I dunno if this is possible, but the screen stretching just seems very untidy. Just a thought. Olliemilne 03:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't stretch my screen, but I'm at a pretty high resolution. I never thought about it, I guess someone smarter than me could figure out a way to make it smaller. If not you could just take it out temporarily.Zopwx2 05:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
-I'm cool with leaving it in because I think its one of the better parts of the article, but I'm running at 1024x768 which I believe is the "standard" or minimum resolution these days, so a lot of people will be seeing it stretched. If theres anyone out there who can fix or modify the timeline, post a version of it here and we'll have a vote on it or something, thanks! Olliemilne 17:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

- Can someone please explain Jason Lader's presence on the timeline (for Sound). As far as I know he was only on one studio track. So if that qualifies him for this category then why are people like Lenny Castro, Larry Harlow and Sara Gross missing? War machine09 04:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm personally not a fan of the timeline at all, it's pretty innacurate, but some people seem to like it. If no one defends him feel free to remove jason from the sound category. Zopwx2 04:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

GUEST MUSCIANS

Should people who guested on volta albums be considered members?

i.e. Sara Gross, and the televators bass dude. They are mentioned on each album article, but they don't need to be in the members sections. Only people who've played live with them or played a significant role on the albums.

They are quite signigant parts, there are MANY more artists that were left out because they wern't significant.

yeah but then we end up with this giant list of muscians in the members section, we might as well list the tuba player from frances and teh coqui frogs as members. Zopwx2 04:48, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
no, those aren't significant and hence, were left out.
But they aren't really members of the band per se. TMI really... just relocate all that stuff to their respective album pages. Zopwx2 05:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


Ok lets start over. I'm not discriminating against these other people becuase they're not famous, the only reason I left John F and Flea in, is because they played such integral roles in the albums. Bass on an entire album, and the fact that FRusc played as much if not more a role on amp than omar is what qualifies them to be in the members list. Not becuase they are famous. I also LEFT IN people like jasso becuase even though they did not play significant roles, or are famous, they were technically members of the band. But someone like Larry Harlow, an accomplished salsa muscian, was never part of the band, he certainly contributed to L'via but I don't think he belongs in the list. Zopwx2 16:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Jason Lader: Sound manip on one B-side song qualifies him as member? no

Sara Christina Gross from Radio vago played on one track only.

Justin Meldel Johson Stand up bass on one track.

ETC

And the specific song info isn't necessary for the other members, its detailed in each album article.

Lenny Castro did percussion for two entire albums. Also you say Jason Lader isnt counted as a member when you've edited him yourself in the bass section. Explain that one.

I think Jason and Jasso belong in the section as bassists becuase they toured live with the band, but things like sound manipulation on one song, or additional percussion as a guest on an album doesn't necessarily qualify them to be in this particular section of this article. It doesn't mean they're being erased from existence, they are still mentioned on each album page under the contributing artists sections. The way the article stands now is fine. The members section emphasizes live members and not just everyone who has worked with the band.Zopwx2 05:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

So that's JF and Flea out. JF is a GUEST guitarist on two albums and GUEST synth on another and Flea played Bass for 9 tracks of one album and never played a live date.

wtvrman Zopwx2 01:53, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

But john frusciante played the guitar on all of the tracks on Amputechture excluding Asilos Magdelena? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ledzeppelin1 (talkcontribs) 02:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I think John Frusciante should be included since he apears on all of the albums and gets credits as someone from "The Mars Volta Group" - He should have the same status as any other member except Cedric and Omar of course. --Stiligknubbis (talk) 08:23, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Currently

The band is currently in the process of recording their third album. John Frusciante is said to be involved once again, and this time in a much larger capacity.

i did not want to change this until i was sure but i just read an interview where Cedric said they would be using little or no other people and Omar has said: "this album will be much closer to the real volta"

Check the date, that interview might be refering to Frances. Zopwx2 19:44, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
can you provide a link to this interview?Leo Collin 07:49, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I read that John Frusciante would be helping not in the creative process, but the interview said something like he's been helping out in the studio playing with omar to see how different things sound

Drugs

There's a lot of drug references in the article, which I wasn't sure what I thought of. In a way, they almost seem a bit editorializing, and not focusing on the facts of what the band actually does. However, I didn't want to remove the drug discussion...if that is a fair thing to mention with regards to the band, I'm all for keeping it in, but I don't know the band well enough to make that call. Does anybody have an opinion on this, or information they can point to that discusses the band's drug usage? EvilPhoenix

I thought exactly the same thing. I've only heard vague references about the band using drugs, not any explicit statements citing that the band ever did or does endorse marijuana or any other illegal drug. Although many of their "characters" like Cerpin Taxt abuse drugs, this does not mean that they necessarily follow suit. I think these drug references should be removed until we have a more objective view of this situation. (As an aside, I should like to point out that I don't really care if TMV does or doesn't do drugs; I just don't want to misrepresent them here.) Cassius987

Alright, I am going to remove the drug references that seem somewhat POV, in my mind. If anyone objects to that edit, please discuss it here. EvilPhoenix 18:29, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

I think that EvilPhoenix's edit was definitely the right move since the band is supposedly clean right now (minus marijuana use by Omar, for its "songwriting enhancing" properties). Matterson52

Actually, it's a well known fact both of the guys freebase cocaine. They've even commented saying it's helped them very much with their music. 153.104.16.114 15:11, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Can you provide evidence that asserts this? Saying somethings a "well known fact" isn't really enough, we have to be able to back it up with evidence. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 18:56, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

ok, here is my anonymous two cents on this.

http://www.goldstandardlabs.com/press_clips_bands/mars_volta/marsvolta_press.html#

in summary, cedric says he has "been clean for three years" (in last column) buuuut he claims he gets high just to change his perspective, but only after playing.

Actually, that is what Omar said (about getting high).

Another thing is that i know for a fact that they used to do drugs, they used to do it all of the time untill one of their friends died, which the first album is about, he shot up with rat posin, and because of it his arm got messed up. They called him Frankenstein. Weather or not they still use drugs i dont know, but i do know that they used to.(It was up a long time ago on their website and the story behind the first album.)

Still another fact, i have a quote from an interview. It backs the statement above with the death of a good friend from an overdose. "...diary discovered by former Volta bandmate Jeremy Ward while he was employed as a repo man. Before Ward's 2003 death from an apparent overdose, he took it upon himself to finish..." The rest of the article can be found here. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1537073/20060725/mars_volta.jhtml?headlines=true

NOVEMBER 2006 ISSUE OF HARP: OMAR AND CEDRIC CLEARLY STATE THEY SMOKED CRACK AND SHOT HEROIN FOR CREATIVE PURPOSES. STATED THEY WERE NOT STEREOTYPICAL "USERS" AS THEY GOT HIGH AND STAYED HOME AND PAINTED AND CREATED MUSIC. VERIFIED THAT THEY RE-EVALUATED THEIR DRUG USE AFTER THE DEATH OF WARD AND THE SUCCESS OF THE BAND CAME AFTER THEY GOT "CLEAN" -- OMAR SAYS HE CURRENTLY DOES NOT USE ALCOHOL, CAFFEINE OR SUGAR. GREAT ARTICLE: http://harpmagazine.com/articles/detail.cfm?article_id=4807 -- KRYSSTOFFER RODRIGUEZ-LOPEZ

Punk Rock...

I'm not sure about my classification of Mars Volta as punk rock, but it's the closest thing I could think of. - CrazyCanuck

I'd say they are a primarily Progressive Rock band instead of Punk Rock..



i saw the mars volta at the filmore last year in SF, and hands down it was the best show ive ever been to. JoeSmack (talk)


I dont agree with the punk rock theory I believe Mars Volta has made up a completely new style of musical entertainment. Therefore I'm just gonna call it bada$$.----fan

If you read any interview about The Mars Volta, speaking about their 'style', they specifically say that they are a form of Punk Rock. (Punk Rock is not based on sound, or style) They are The Mars Volta, leave it at that. They make what they like (which is what music is all about, not style, or fitting into any catagory) - Another Fan

Of course punk rock is based on sound. It doesn't matter what the band says. If they call themselves folk we wouldn't classify them as folk. The classification is to tell people what they sound like. --Macarion 21:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


I believe they are classified as Progressive/Psychedelic and Latin Jazz.

Definitely not punk rock. --83.245.209.13 14:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree with the last few comments. Punk rock is about simplicity and being straightforward. That is the exact opposite of the Mars Volta's music. The band's long songs and complex arrangements aren't even close to the definition of Punk. And anybody can say that anyone has a "Punk attitude" but this is an encyclopedia with info about styles, not what someone thinks about someone else's possible attitude. I am removing Punk Rock from the description at the top of the article. I suppose someone will probably put it back. Doomsdayer520 (talk) 06:13, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Intro song?

"The music sample that The Mars Volta use to introduce their live shows is the title theme to the film A Fistful of Dollars, composed by Ennio Morricone."

I was always under the impression they were using The extacy of gold, which is from The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

no Zopwx2 03:35, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


Yeah, it's definetly Fistfull of dollars, although the extro music lately has been the dr. who theme. The Guilty Undertaker 02:55, 27 July 2006


It says that they used the theme from Clockwork Orange. though I'm not sure what is meant by the theme, I think you are refering to Purcell's Piece composed for the funral of Queen Anne (or so I think). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.127.27.188 (talk) 09:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion

Maybe the topic should be locked so nobody can edit it due to the recent vandalism around it. Can 12:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


Regarding Studio Habits

I think it's somewhat erroneous to claim that "only the best trained studio musicians" are able to play simply to the beat of a metronome. Though it is indeed more common to record an individual part over a recording of a full band, recording to just a click track is by no means unheard of, or particularly virtuosic. Thanks. TSBeebout 17:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


Actually, I find this whole sentence (which was edited yesterday): "This is not any indication that the other members of the band lack anything musically or creatively - instead, quite the contrary, as the musicians recorded to the pulse of a metronome." To be kind of unnecesary. I could be wrong but is it actually necessary to defend the fact that omar wrote everything? I just think the article would be better with this entire sentence removed, or we could just change it to state that in order to record the album the members had to record with a metronome or something... rather than have that whole "defend their musical honor" twist it has now... Alexhack 7 April 2006

Why Mudvayne?

At the beginning of the "Live at the Electric Ballroom" concert video, Cedric says "Hello. We're Mudvayne." Does anyone have any idea why? I don't think they opened for TMV because the Electric Ballroom concert took place during their first album, and Mudvayne was a well-established band during that time. Either way, both of them are bands that have since gone to pot, but it just struck me as curious. sitinthechair 12 April 2006

I'm pretty sure it was probably a joke. Zopwx2 06:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Obviously, but I was wondering if anybody had any idea what context the joke was in. sitinthechair 13 April 2006
Omar during an interview was having the line up to the Big Day Out read to him and he professed his distatste for Mudvaye. So I joke I guess.
Makes sense. Thanks. sitinthechair 29 April 2006
  • I thought he says "Hello, we're Mars thing" LIllIi 23:08, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I assumed it was because of M(ars) V(olta) and M(ud) V(ayne). 88.108.71.164 01:18, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Its pretty much because Omar said he hated Mudvayne. He definitely said Mudvayne, and thats the reason! Anything else sounds like a conspiracy theory almost. "I thought it was because they both have 9 letters!" Olliemilne 05:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
In general, I believe both Cedric and Omar hate Mudvayne (which I think is possibly because of what happened at the '01 BDO). In an interview leading up to the '06 Big Day Out, Omar was asked what he thought of the other bands on the bill - he said he looking forward to catching The Stooges and then simply said "Oh God..." when asked about Mudvayne. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.129.150.75 (talk) 03:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC).
-Yeah, its established now that that is the reason he said that, mudvayne suck. Maybe someone could find out what interview this was so we can source it. Olliemilne 04:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Syntax

The syntax on this page is horrible. The sentences often feel awkward, particularly in the description of the band's origins. We need a good writer to go through and re-write a lot of these sentences. --128.205.191.62 00:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Where's the book?

Does anyone know where to find the storybook about Cerpin Taxt mentioned in the "De-Loused" section?

Here. Can 14:35, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Good book.

Hey, that link has become a bit '404' if you know what i mean, anyone else got a valid link for a pdf of the book? (218.215.138.170 23:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC))

I found a link to the aforementioned book here: http://www.tmvfr.info/miscfiles/DeLoused_storybook.pdf for anybody that is interested :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.138.194 (talk) 22:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Paul's Arrival

Somebody just changed Paul's date from 2005 to 2003, saying that he joined right after Ward's death. I know the announcement was not until 2005, and I'm pretty sure no band who is touring would wait two years to announce that a member left (Sparta). Does anyone have a reference for the year 2003? Matterson52 14:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

-He started in 2003, filling in for the rest of the tour, and none in 2004 but his first official show (That is appeared on stage as a band member) was June 2nd 2005, but he has been playing with them as early as July 1st 2003.

Why the hell is he listed as pablo on their albums? The Guilty Undertaker 15:00, 27 July 2006

History/The beginning

Ends with "Tremulant was a collection of three"... three...? -- PS: I really love this band and look forward to their new album. Ran J. 16:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


Updates

I made a few updates regarding the 2006 tour, 2007 tour and the meaning of the mars volta. All this can be verified through a radio interview on August 22nd, 2006 by FM949 in San Diego. Omar mentions a ton of information so I will update as I find nessacary. You can find a link to the interview on thecomatorium.com/board


A source is needed for the switch magazine, otherwise it will be removed. Soon. You can find the san diego interview here, which was originally listed as a source for the fourth alblum, but somebody deleted it and added switch magaizine yet gave no source.

http://www.thecomatorium.com/board/index.php?showtopic=65901&hl=san+diego

Time to update the pic since Jon is not in the band anymore -- Krysstoffer Rodriguez-Lopez

It's the only decent pic of the band that isn't just Omar and Cedric, so for now its ok. Zopwx2 02:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

POV?

"Although it's innovative, Amputechture is trying to emulate the glory of such greats such as King Crimson and Yes, but falling way behind track according to some critics. Although new for some people, others see it as a copy or ripp off from the real greats of progressive music, nothing new for those who saw those great bands in the past. Amputechture is nothing to be that impressed about, unless you are ignorant in real progressive rock." Pure POV shite. I'm not the least bit indignant because I'm a fan (alright, maybe I am).

Besides being poorly written, its POV to the max and therefore was removed. Zopwx2 03:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


"Glue Manager & Blade Server?"

I noticed this when it was added to the "mars volta group" section and didn't think it made any sense, but decided to wait and see if someone else removed it. I don't exactly know what a glue manager is, forgive my ignorance, but my first thought on seeing it was that it was some allusion to glue sniffing and drugs or whatever. If someone can tell me what a glue manager is and confirm that this guy is indeed the band's personal advisor on all things glue related, then that's cool, but if not then it should be removed.

I couldn't tell if it was vandalism myself eitherZopwx2 19:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
-Okay, I finally removed this. I noticed that now there is a "blade server" as well, and I'll do the same again - give someone ample time to explain what one even is and provide a source that this guy is the band's fulfiller of this role. I've a feeling the result will be the same this time though. I can't help but feel someone somewhere is laughing at the fact we're discussing some sort of inside joke :/ Olliemilne 23:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
-Ok, that seems long enough, I'm removing this. Although I actually found out what a blade server is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_server - However I can't really see how this relates to a live band's tech crew, my only guess is they use it to record live shows straight to a hard drive? However, if you can explain all this, please do so here and re-add it to the article.
I think it was a crappy attempt at suggesting they self-harm. Positively hilarious.
Nah, I think it was related to the link I posted above, but it makes no sense, nor does a glue manager. Oh well, I got rid of it like 6 months ago and we never had a problem with it again. Olliemilne 12:01, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Links

I am adding back the link to the Comatorium website, removed by JoeSmack, as this is linked to from the Mars Volta's official site as being their official forum. --Lakerdonald 01:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

technically the mypsace is official too, but wtvr. Zopwx2 08:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
iawtc --Lakerdonald 17:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I think we should leave it be now, what say you? --Lakerdonald 18:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

That picture on the page...

Is, to be honest, horrible. You can't really see the darn people. Should we try and find a better one? Dieter Weber 04:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm open to suggestions for new pics. Unfortunately there exists approximately zero pictures of the whole band. In terms clear non-live shots the best we can do are ones that include band members who have left and/or are missing additional band members. At least there are individual pics of each bandmember on their own bio pages. And if it's any consolation this one at least gives people a taste of what their live shows look like... Zopwx2 08:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, you're right. I suppose I'll just have to deal with it. xD It's no big deal, I was just thinking it'd be better if we could see their faces. C'est la vie. Maybe something will come up later. Dieter Weber 20:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

==I have this pic in my photobucket -- very recent and clearly every band member -- if u wanna use it -- http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j284/matrixjunkie/marsvoltagroup.png -- Krysstoffer Rodriguez-Lopez

-Err, I vote against this, it has some writing on, and a load of random people who aren't in the band, plus its too "wacky." Taken from someone's sig on the comatorium in fact I think its Zopwx2s! Not suitable as the main pic though —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Olliemilne (talkcontribs) 15:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC).
Yah I was the one who made that pic. But I'm against using it for several reasons. First and foremost it is a private photo stolen from someones myspace/photobucket. Also it includes several non-members and paul is missing. Zopwx2 01:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

<<at minimum there should be a pic where you can actually see the members -- and since this page is for "The Mars Volta" (which is Omar and Cedric) and not "The Mars Volta Group" a pic of Omar and Cedric should be fine -- but i'm sure the fanatics wont agree with that - trying to find a pic of the Mars Volta Group is going to be impossible -- like there are ever going to be over a dozen members in the same room at the same time for a photo.

"fanatic" or not I vote against a picture of just omar and cedric. Zopwx2 17:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, this page is about the band and history and works of that band. Up until amputechture (the majority of the band's existence) the mars volta did include everyone else in the band. If people want pictures and info about cedric and omar, they'll go to their respective pages. I think its fine as it is now. It kind of points out the scale of a mars volta live show. although there may be some better wide shots of the whole band out there somewhere, its all good for now. Olliemilne 18:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
-Whoever keeps editing the photo needs to chill out, regardless of what the liner notes for amp say, people do not consider just cedric and omar to be "the mars volta". don't bring that "mars volta group" nonsense into it either. Olliemilne 05:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Plus they are inserting the image wrong, not to mention "OmarCedric1.jpg" doesn't even exist. Zopwx2 08:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

mars volta group nonsense -- FAN-A-TIC

- Is this supposed to be an insult aimed at me, Mr/Mrs 68.15.42.20? If I'm a fanatic you're an Omar/Cedric fanboy, an even worse thing to be. For the majority of their career, The Mars Volta has meant the entire group. It says on several albums, "The Mars Volta is: *all members*. Only since Amputechture has the mars volta group existed. So it hasn't always been like this or anything, its a recent development and it'd be confusing for people unfamilar with the band to see just two people and the information that the mars volta is just two people. What about all the other instruments? etc. They rest of the band isn't exactly a rotating array of session musicians (except the drummers it seems, hopefully not a sign of things to come), each person has a history with the group. Maybe in the future there will end up being this never ending rotating of members, sort of like Frank Zappa's band, who turned from the Mothers of Invention to just Frank Zappa, with different musicians on every tour, almost. In that case a photo of just cedric and omar would be more suitable. But as this is a recent development, a photo of all the members makes more sense. The whole Mars Volta group thing isn't mentioned in the article anymore, maybe it should be if someone can write it in in a neutral way. Just mention the fact that this is a new development, compared to DITC and FTM when every member was listed as the Mars Volta, not how its good becoz omer writes everyfing/bad becoz omar sux.
So in conclusion, there are my reasons for why I think the photo of everyone should stay. If 68.15.42.20 wants to post why they think it should be just Omar and Cedric, then post it here. Let's have a lively debate! Don't just turn to anonymous personal attacks because you didn't get your own way. Thanks. Olliemilne 21:18, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

New Drummer

Although the rumor is that Thomas Pridgen is going to be the new drummer, I think we should hold off on adding him in until it becomes offical and/or we see him on stage again. Zopwx2 00:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

well pridgen himself now says that he is the new drummer. Zopwx2 04:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Can someone reference that? --oKtosiTe talk 17:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
-You want a reference that hes the new drummer? Hes been it for months now. How about www.myspace.com/themarsvolta - pridgen is listed as a member. They havent updated the website in a while and the comatorium has no contact with the band or management anymore, so thats the only source I can find. Hes also in videos, pictures, etc. He is the drummer for the band, no question. Olliemilne 17:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I guess I should have read into it a little more (and looked at the comment's date) before posting that... Cheers! --oKtosiTe talk 18:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
-Haha no worries, I figured you'd missed the dates of the comments. But those few months were a pretty confusing time regarding drummers so its easy to get confused. Olliemilne 19:23, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Fourth Album section

Right, this is getting silly, people are reverting it daily. Some info in that box is correct, other parts are not. But where is the source to say the album comes out on april 24th? I suppose its called "a paradox ivory" too? I call bullshit. So, I'm removing this section until a compromise can be reached on it. Please post your thoughts on this section, which is currently as follows:

"In an interview for San Diego's FM 94.9 Omar Rodriguez-Lopez stated that he was halfway done with the recording of the fourth album, will begin mixing it in January, and resume touring in February. However, due to inconsistency with drummers, the band has pushed tour dates back until March. He also stated that a DVD about the band, which will document the band's entire history, is in the works."

The 94.9 thingy is unsourced. They're touring in march, not february. As far as we know there is no release date or title for the album, or at least no source. Seeing marcel on the street doesnt count unfortunately. So, thoughts? Olliemilne 17:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

How about we wait until we have a good, solid source on this? We don't need to rush to say they have a new album, especially when we don't actually know if they do. Leave the Fourth Album section removed until we get a source... >.< Stop the War in Uganda! 18:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

-Sounds good to me. They're obviously going to do another album so I don't think people need to be told that its coming at some point in the future. I bet it will be readded at some point though. Olliemilne 20:22, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
-Yes, I know, they will have a forth album. But there really is no need for a big rush. Stop the War in Uganda! 21:27, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Technically everything in that 94.9 paragraph is true, it even mentions them pushing back the tour. But its not big loss if we just leave it out. Also paradox ivory = complete bs. Zopwx2 23:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
-Right you are, I should read things more carefully! I think the wording confused me, "and will begin touring in February" makes it seem like it was definitely happening. I know for a fact that the DVD is coming, because there was that thread on the coma where you could ask them a question and they'd answer it. I wonder if that'll happen? probably not. So let's just leave it off, unless someone has any major reason for putting it back on (mr paradox ivory, your reason is not valid.) Olliemilne 00:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Cryptic lyrics?

At 04:52, April 11, 2007, 71.91.69.249 talk "removed "cryptic lyrics" as it's 100% opinion, not an actual fact; nor are they "known for it."
What do you think? --oKtosiTe talk 17:13, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

-Cedric's lyrics are always rather obtuse and difficult to understand so I think thats a fair comment to make myself. I think you can argue that they are known for it somewhat, but omg ther iz no sauce. So we'll have to come to an agreement amongst ourselves over whether its true. I don't actually think the article loses anything by not having this sentence in, but I'm cool with putting it back, if someone wants to, or comment on this. Perhaps the person who removed it would like to say why (yeah thats going to happen) Olliemilne 17:40, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I would describe their lyrics as cryptic. A reply seems unlikely... --oKtosiTe talk 18:08, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
This is the person who edited it, and I have no idea so I'm just assuming this is how I reply. How is there even a question of this not being opinion? If I said they are a "horrible rock band and their lyrics are known for being crap" would this be allowed? Anyway, cryptic is, as they say, in the eye of the beholder. I was just making it more correct I guess.**

Yeah this is what we mean by replying, thanks for doing so! You're right in saying that the lyrics being "cryptic" is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps instead, it should read something like "lyrics which are difficult to interpret" or "can be interpreted in multiple ways". You can't honestly say that "the kiosk in my temporal lobe is shaped like rosalyn carter" makes perfect sense to you? You can interpret it as a metaphor, but as a logical statement its impossible, there can be no kiosk in cedric's temporal lobe. I realise metaphors are pretty much a cornerstone of the english language but cedrics are so strange in their imagery I really think it deserves a mention. Its a highly nonsensical statement, metaphorical or not. see also "ecto mimed bison", "talons scratch my suite" (sic), etc etc. Cedric's lyrics are so difficult to decipher and so open to interpretation that the comatorium has an entire subforum dedicated to working out what the songs actually mean. This doesn't happen with every band, its pretty clear to me that say, "I wanna rock" by Twisted Sister is about well, wanting to rock. I dunno why I chose that song or band, but you get my meaning. I think that some mention of cedric's lyrical style should be made. "cryptic" suits it reasonably well I think, it means "having hidden meaning"; exactly what cedrics lyrics are. It can also mean "of an obscure nature", also fitting. It seems like the perfect word almost. What do you think? Olliemilne 04:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not too worried about mentioning cryptic lyrics, becuase they pretty much admit to emphasizing singing with feeling or somethign that sounds good over any specific meanings. Zopwx2 04:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


John Fruciante

If you look in the Amputechture booklet, it lists John Fruciante as a member of The Mars Volta. Since he did a lot of work with The Mars Volta on Tremulant, Deloused, and Frances the Mute, should we list him under the members list? Thudunder 02:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

here Zopwx2 02:28, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Languages

Can it be mentioned in the article what languages they sing in? Badagnani 04:25, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

So, English and Spanish? It's mentioned on Cedric's article that he uses bilingual lyrics, if you can slot it in somewhere go for it, although I don't really feel it's very necessary to the article and people may just remove it. Olliemilne 19:39, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

not really neccicary, he only ever sings in English or Épanol . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ledzeppelin1 (talkcontribs) 00:06, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

BiG release date

The most recent thing about the release date was fall of 07. Someone mentioned something about universal giving aug 27th or something. Anyone have a link to the universal source? Zopwx2 18:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

dude are you for real... Zopwx2 00:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Neo-Psychedelia

Ok, I looked at the article for neo-psychedelia and still have little to no clue what it is or how tmv are neo-psych. I looked at the list of bands who fall under the genre, and they range from the Butthole Surfers to the Screaming Trees. Both of which sound little like The Mars Volta. So yeah, if someone could clarify it for me, that'd be cool. Razorhead July 29, 2007 89.241.164.24 22:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC) –––––––––-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

a missing chromosone info?

what happened to the missing chromosone section, it was a definite album with a definite set of songs, whether or not it was ever released to the public, and whether or not it was b sides and rarities.

also, it would be good to mention that a plague apon your hissing, (from a missing chromosone) became the lyrical base for day of the Baphomets, as for trivia.

its like they dont want us to know about it,

its only referenced slightly on the net,

any info?

It's legititamcy came into question. Not to mention it was only a radio promo, and promos dont get articles. Anyway there is nothing citable or any sources to make an article for amg worthy. Also I think the amputechture article mentions plague anyway and the other songs all exist on the singles pages.68.4.144.186 00:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


I think it should at least get a mention, it doesn't have to be listed as an official album. It has it's own album cover and is listed on other websites. --WaterWolf 09:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
it shouldn't get its own article, i agree with this point, but it is still something that i think mars volta fans would wish to know about. therefore i belive it should get a brief mention, or a stub with a tracklisting. after all, each article shoulod be as informative as it can, and this is something missing.
Turns out its fake: http://www.thecomatorium.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=32622&st=660&p=2282872&#entry2282872

also the picture used for the fake cover: http://www.petrsvarc.com/data/rome/images/ITArom135.jpg Zopwx2 23:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

OK SEEMS THAT THE MARS VOLTA ARE RELEASING A OFFICAL B-SIDES ALBUM IN 2008. - http://infrasonicsound.com/recording/discography/pete.html MIGHT WANT TO PUT THAT UP SOMEONE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.203.82 (talk) 20:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I will but we don't have much info Zopwx2 20:48, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Maybe I am missing something but I do not see anything about a B-sides album in 2008 on the given website. The only release listed for 2008 is an album by Omar not by The Mars Volta. Also thats just a recording company. Geneusutwerk 18:45, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

it was there. seems they have taken it off the list for some reason? we will have to wait for more confirmation.

Genre?

what is going on with the Genre Right now? can the community settle on one thing? it is absolutely ridiculous having seven or so different genres! i am going to change it back to "Progressive Rock". the mars volta are a Progressive rock band. the reason there may be so many of these "offcut" genre's listed is because it is Progressive Rock. if people want to read about the little details of TMV genre discrepancies these can be listed within the article. please discuss before you go back listing a thousand genre's again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ledzeppelin1 (talkcontribs) 00:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

New Entry —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beatles12 (talkcontribs) 16:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you on settling with one genre to classify this group. Since they are so unique, it is hard to do so. They push boundaries and new musical territory with every move. As a result, I offer categorizing them as “Experimental Rock”. They do show many characteristics of progressive rock, however I do feel that this label is slightly limiting. I offer a citation from All Music Guide of a description of Experimental Rock:

"As the name suggests, Experimental Rock is music pushing the envelope of the form, far removed from the classic pop sensibilities of before. Typically, experimental rock is the diametric opposite of standard "verse-chorus-verse" music. Because the whole point is to liberate and innovate, no hard and fast rules apply, but distinguishing characteristics include improvisational performances, avant-garde influences, odd instrumentation, opaque lyrics (or no lyrics at all), strange compositional structures and rhythms, and an underlying rejection of commercial aspirations

This label links with the fact that they are an ever changing group who are constantly “pushing the envelope of the form”. Experimental Rock means you can go anywhere, which is what the Mars Volta does. --Beatles12 (talk) 16:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

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That's absurd. There's nothing limiting about the label progressive. I never understood why they were so resistant to the label.

Also, there scope is not as broad as people are giving them credit for. Their "experimentation" consists mostly of messing around with minor and pentatonic scales in different time signatures. They have a style that's their own, certainly, but that doesn't make them not progressive rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.24.76 (talk) 21:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Respectfully, your opinion on what constitutes progressive rock is quite irrelevant, sir. Since this is the first claim referring to them as members of the "New Prog" genre, I'm reverting the edit by anonymous. More importantly, it's pretty easy to find sources everywhere denoting them as prog rock. The New York Times calls them prog rock, and NPR agrees. Quite simply, there are an absolute monument of good sources calling them prog rock -- it's pretty hard to leave that one out. --Anon 67.187.38.109 (talk) 00:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

beneath the eyelid

i found a clip of this song which is called beneath the eyelid and i read it was from bedlam, yet it didnt appear on bedlam, does anyone know anything about this song? a clip of it is found here http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=sP20qzXfkyw&feature=related —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.180.92 (talk) 05:56, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe this was played at the new years eve 2007/8 show that they did, it wasn't released on bedlam but is going to be on the upcoming album Octahedron as 'Since We've Been Wrong' It has also been released as a single —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.19.97.143 (talk) 16:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Flea as former member

I put Flea in as a former member for his work on De-Loused, but someone deleted it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sluggo34 (talkcontribs) 02:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


The Bedlam in Goliath Section

"On January 2, The Mars Volta released an online game called "Goliath: The Soothsayer". It is a game based on a true story that inspired their forthcoming album The Bedlam In Goliath. The album chronicles the band's purported experience with the "Soothsayer," a Ouija board owned by vocalist Cedric Bixler-Zavala and its transition from a source of fun on tour to a psycho-spiritual force that almost tore the band apart. The game is available exclusively via Amazon.com from January 2nd through January 29th, the release date for the album.[citation needed]""

This entire paragraph is rather confusing. It begins talking about the online game, and then moves to explain the concept of the album, and then returns to talking about the game again. It also details things that have already been explained in the article, and makes it seem rather out of place. I've been trying to rework it but I'm not sure where to start, as I'm still unsure about multiple things within the article. Could anyone edit and simplify it?--Pritoolmachine2806 (talk) 01:45, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

John Frusciante

John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers is featured from 2002 on-- but on the graph on the page, you don't see his name, though he's mentioned elsewhere. I honestly think you must place him there, since you can HEAR his distinctive guitar work in the music, and see it on You Tube if you look. --leahtwosaints (talk) 21:12, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


Sorry, but I've editted back. John Frusiciante is NOT a member of The Mars Volta, he's just a regular collaberator. It gives the impression that he's involved with the band full time, which is not the case. I've editted the top infobox accordingly. 121.45.226.67 (talk) 03:51, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Discuss here --Stiligknubbis (talk) 17:12, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Octahedron

I just cleaned up this section a bit, however it is still not worded very well. Much of the text on there previously was straight plagiarism from the references, so please watch out for that. In addition, the opening of that paragraph, which I commented out, had no references to confirm those rumors, and didn't say anything about how or if those "new" songs were related to the new album. If someone can find references for those, and rewrite that introduction, I'd be happy to see it back in the article.

I also removed the last paragraph of that section, which had a few upcoming festival appearances mentioned. For one thing, it was terribly formatted, and spelling was pretty bad. But mostly, I don't think we should be maintaining a list of upcoming tour dates on the wikipedia entry.

We should also look in to cleaning up this talk page a bit, if anyone has time. There's a lot of random discussion on here, and several questions repeated in multiple sections that could be consolidated (i.e. Frusciante) Davidstromberg (talk) 21:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

El Gran Orgo

Could El Gran Orgo be considered The Mars Voltas actual first EP? Check out the page and look at the personnel section, you'll see what I mean.

Posted by: Cathys_Son on June, 11 2009

um, no? —Vanishdoom (talk) 23:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
El Gran Orgo was an At The Drive-In EP, which was Omar and Cedric's first band. Check out the page for more info on the band. --Pritoolmachine2806 (talk) 00:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

All Im saying is that all but two members that contributed to the album are Mars Volta members. Ben Rodriguez is known to collaberate with Omar in his solo project and Tony Hajjar is a drummer. Theyre notorious for going through drummers like ass paper. I know its under their title At The Drive-In, but considering the fact that 3 of the 5 people that recorded the album are in The Mars Volta, how can it not be? Posted by: Cathys_Son on June, 12 2009

If it was released under The Mars Volta, then it would be considered a TMV release, but it's not, because it was released under AT THE DRIVE-IN. I'm stunned at how your logic works on this... I can't imagine how you view other topics of this nature, so I hope you're just screwing around with us. —Vanishdoom (talk) 13:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
No need to get angry here, it's no big deal. It's not the first Mars Volta EP because this was At The Drive-In, which was long before Omar and Cedric even considered The Mars Volta. Again, check out the At The Drive-In page for more info. El Gran Orgo wasn't the first At The Drive-In release either, so it really doesn't apply here at all. Also, Ben Rodriguez hasn't collaborated with Omar since the At The Drive-In days, so I'm not sure where you're getting that info. --Pritoolmachine2806 (talk) 14:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, ok. Its not REALLY their first EP. I was just talking. I wasnt trying to make a legit statement or changes to the artical or anything. Posted by: Cathys_Son on June, 12 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.230.104.94 (talk) 17:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Punk jazz?

Could they fit into the punk jazz genre? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.114.28 (talk) 22:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

They have some punk jazz sounds but probably not enough to put into the infobox, unless you have a valid citation.Iminrainbows (talk) 01:01, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Thomas Pridgen current/former edit war

I think it's reasonable to hold off on listing Pridgen as a former drummer for TMV until an official confirmation is released, if ever. People seem to be jumping the gun here. Let Omar and Co. announce that he is, in fact, gone before listing him as such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.225.167.218 (talk) 03:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

The edit war continues. Edits keep getting made making Pridgen a former member of the Mars Volta. The edits have no explanation nor citation. Meanwhile, the Mars Volta haven't announced anything and Pridgen's Facebook page[3] says he is current drummer for the group. While it appears from discussion on the Mars Volta forums[4] that there was some sort of dispute between Pridgen and the group there is nothing official saying that he left the group. If someone wants to break the story they should do so in Wikinews. --Beirne (talk) 15:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Alright so I realize that no official word from the band has been made, but all the evidence points to him no longer being in the volta. Thomas up and stated on his facebook that he's not doing the mars volta anymore, and they just played a show today with another guy playing drums. Do these things count for nothing? I understand waiting for an official word but it seems strange to continue acting as though Pridgen is still in the band when he clearly isn't. --Pritoolmachine2806 (talk) 03:34, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Here's what Pridgen's Facebook page says: Thomas Armon Pridgen (born November 23, 1983 in Alameda County, California) is the current drummer for The Mars Volta.. There's not even news coverage of the issue that I can find, just discussion and speculation on forums. This is not the basis for facts in an encyclopedia article. --Beirne (talk) 04:06, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
You're looking at his Facebook page, which isn't actually run by Pridgen. If you look at his profile (which you cannot access without being his friend, but he accepts all friend requests) there is a status post on november 18th where he talks about recording, and when people inquire he says he is no longer in the mars volta. --Pritoolmachine2806 (talk) 18:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
OK, that explains things. Thanks. --Beirne (talk) 19:32, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
But it should have an in-line citation where it says that he's left on the page. I will attempt to find his facebook and do that. Iminrainbows (talk) 00:55, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

More on A Missing Chromosome

To continue the discussion from section 37 above, about a week ago someone (not me) created a new album article for A Missing Chromosome. I was under the impression that this disc was possibly notable as a radio promotion with some third-party discussion surrounding it. But if it's indeed a counterfeit and/or unauthorized album, perhaps that new article should be nominated for deletion under WP:NALBUMS. See also the procedures at WP:AFD. I'm undecided on deletion, because the fact that the album is counterfeit or promo-only (or whatever) might be worth explaining in that album article or at least at the TMV band article. But that's just my personal opinion. Comments? --DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 21:13, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

France's the Mute B-side

The article for Frances the Mute says the single Frances the mute wasn't included because of unknown reasons. I remember watching an interview with Omar and he said that the song Frances the Mute wasn't included on Frances the Mute because it couldn't fit on the cd and it wasn't worth putting it on a second disk. But I can't seem to find the interview again can some one look into this for me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.218.151.215 (talk) 03:50, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Apparently the song is available on that possibly unauthorized/counterfeit album I linked in the last section above. This is what makes the disc intriguing enough to keep popping up in discussions again and again. --DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 16:45, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Influences...

... apparently, they have none? 24.189.87.160 (talk) 06:45, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

European group "Mars Volta"

Does anyone have a source of any kind that can confirm the existence of this european electronica band that apparently had the name "Mars Volta" first? Other than this wikipedia page, I can't find anything pointing towards them. There has to be something, whether it be the bands website or myspace, a music website discussing them, or an interview with Cedric and Omar where they mention the conflict. That comment has been on this wiki as long as I can remember, but I don't think its ever actually been sourced. --Pritoolmachine2806 (talk) 22:50, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

John Frusciante reveals some new info on the next album

For those who are interested, perhaps this might be added to the article.

John Frusciante and Josh Klinghoffer had an interview with Watt from the pedro show, and John makes reference to working with the Mars Volta on a new album, and says that the band is moving in a different direction. Below is the link to the mp3 interview. The specific part where John makes reference to TMV is in the latter half of the interview.

http://s257114529.onlinehome.us/audio_new/twfps090125_96k.mp3

post by Jon, Jan 29, 2009—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.87.235.102 (talkcontribs) 22:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

new info

http://www.thecomatorium.com/board/index.php?showtopic=50722—Preceding unsigned comment added by Zopwx2 (talkcontribs) 00:45, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Tremulant

Someone needs to rework the the description of the Tremulant EP at the end of the begning section, its not very encyclopedic.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Zopwx2 (talkcontribs) 09:10, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Fix

Fixed the information about Jeremy, mainly just cleaning / polishing it (and fixing the spelling of Inertiatic from "Intertiatic".—Preceding unsigned comment added by Crtrue (talkcontribs) 00:31, 6 August 2004 (UTC)


Added information about L'via.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.81.60 (talkcontribs) 21:36, 20 June 2005 (UTC)

Cleaning Service

Good, it's up for cleaning. Now perhaps some work will get done. Crtrue—Preceding unsigned comment added by Crtrue (talkcontribs) 04:43, 13 October 2004 (UTC)

New Tour Info

I put up that they were touring with SOAD "in Europe beginning May 27th" and someone took it down to replace it with "in the USA" which is just plain wrong. Please dont change it back again.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Matterson52 (talkcontribs) 01:13, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

List of members/associated acts

I think it would be fair to add John Frusciante to these lists at the top left hand of the page, as even on this page it says that he has collaborated with TMV. So I think it would be appropriate to do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.13.66 (talk) 12:28, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

John Frusciante in Octahedron

In the chart at the bottom of the article John Frusciante is not listed as having played in Octahedron. This is simply not true, as can be seen also in the Octahedron article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.52.96.191 (talk) 13:26, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Post-hardcore

Why is there a post-hardcore bands category even though it isn't listed in their genre? MsBlackworld 09:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MsBlackworld (talkcontribs)


On their demo, they do show signs of post-hardcore on it, but otherwise--they're not at all a post-hardcore specific band. At heart, they're a experimental rock, nu-progressive (or referred to post-progressive), math rock, art rock, jazz fusion, psychedelic rock -- not at all a post-hardcore band. If I would add it: it would be with early, but no. After the demo EP got released, I didn't hear no identifications of that specific genres displaced--it all got disappeared I know it might a little obscure but its all very true, indeed. They could have any genre[s] associated with it, but it's useless now; since, they have evolved from that specific genre.

For Wikipedia standards, you need to source it to actually get to be a genre in the bio section. It could work, but then other users would be over your ass to explain this situation. Otherwise, I would say no to add into their page. Its realistic to why people want to add this--but time and time again, they don't want YOU to add it. panicpack121 4:08, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


There are post-hardcore leanings throughout almost all of their records (particularly Tremulant EP, Deloused in the Comatorium, The Bedlam in Goliath, and Noctourniquet (Cedric Bixler-Zavala confirmed this himself on his youtube page)) and in their live performances. Post-hardcore influence is also particularly noticeable in Omar Rodriguez-Lopez's guitar playing both live and in the studio. The only records that exhibit proper jazz fusion tendancies are those on which a horn section is present (Frances the Mute, Amputechture, and The Bedlam in Goliath), and in truth only a handful of of the songs from these records are proper jazz fusion songs (most of these being on Amputechture). Simply having a horn section is not enough to slap a band with the jazz fusion label, and whilst this horn section did play a more prominent role in the live setting, the music played live is primarily psychedelic rock in nature.

Given that recent Mars Volta performances have been very much post-harcore influenced, with a complete lack of jazz fusion material in any of the newer songs or jams (search for 2011 performances of The Whip Hand, Aegis, and Dyslexicon if you wish), it seems dubious to give jazz fusion as one of the band's primary genres over post-hardcore; the latter has been more of a constant in their sound than the former (and continues to be so). If a reference is required for this, use AllMusic/AllRovi, which considers them a post-hardcore influenced psychedelic/progressive/experimental band. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.109.18 (talk) 14:59, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Zavalas link

Hi,

I noticed that none of the in-article mentions of 'Zavalas' had a link to the band's wikipedia page (found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zavalaz). I tried to add it in but I have pretty awful HTML chops so it replaced the actual word with just the link. I'm not really sure what to do and I'm reluctant to try to fix it in case I make things worse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.125.57 (talk) 08:36, 30 June 2013 (UTC)