Talk:The Oxford Book of Twentieth Century English Verse

Are you sure?

What is the source that this shouldn't have capitals? The publisher's blurb on Amazon, for example, suggests that the capitals should be there: [1] almost-instinct 00:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The isbn tool and the WHSmith site indicates a lower case format. Anyway, if the publishers page gives a certain capitalization, then that can be used. Snowman (talk) 01:01, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From the WHSmith page: "Philip Larkin's Oxford Book of Twentieth-Century English Verse provoked controversy..." From the publisher's website: "The Oxford Book of Twentieth Century English Verse". You are wrong. Undo your mistake. almost-instinct 01:05, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

There appears to be different capitalisation forms in use, and there are a variety of options here. I am not entirely sure about the move, because Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters)#All_caps indicates the use of lower case when title are capitalised and the book cover uses capital for every letter. The page move is to a capitalisation form that is on the publishes page; however, it would probably be ok to keep the current heading as it appears to comply to wiki guidelines. Having looked at the wiki MOS, I think I would prefer to keep the current heading. Snowman (talk) 01:11, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh for God's sake, admit you made a mistake, it won't kill you. Every single source capitalises it almost-instinct 02:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, try reading Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(books)#Capitalization which will show exactly how you are wrong almost-instinct 02:26, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and by the way, WP:ALLCAPS, that you claim to quote, says "Reduce newspaper headlines and other titles from all caps to title case: Replace "WAR BEGINS TODAY" with "War Begins Today"." Note difference between "title case" and "lower case" almost-instinct 02:35, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is probably a better way to say that; nevertheless, I see that you have pointed out relevant MOS, which supports the name change that I have nominated. The current page name is temporary being one I moved when I was confused about the different capitalisation forms to be seen on the internet; however, the original page name given by the creator of the page was wrong because it did not start with "The". Snowman (talk) 09:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, as nominator. I have added an infobox on the page showing the book cover, which of course has the full title on the cover. As printed on the book cover the title does not contain any hyphens, it is in all capitals, and it includes a "The" at the beginning. I think the page name should be "The Oxford Book of Twentieth Century English Verse", as per my nomination of this page move. Snowman (talk) 09:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (1) The only uncapitalised word in the title should be "of" as per WP:ALLCAPS and also per section 6, "Capitalization", of WP:NC-BK (2) The issue of the "The" should be resolved through study of WP:THE which in this instance is not entirely explicit. See the Category:Books published by the Oxford University Press for examples of both including and not including the "The". almost-instinct 14:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To me, it is clear that "The" is used when it is actually part of the title of a book, as in this books name. See Wikipedia:THE#Titles_of_works_and_publications. Snowman (talk) 14:53, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that there is nothing that suggests that the "The" should be removed. It is a shame that guideline doesn't also say explicitly that the "The" should be retained almost-instinct 15:07, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have just read the MOS again, and I think it does say that "The" is transcribed to the name of a wiki article when it is at the beginning of the title of a book. Snowman (talk) 15:22, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question WP:HYPHEN seems to suggest that "Twentieth-Century" as an adjective should be hyphenated. The book cover and the publisher's website do not hyphenate. Which takes precedence? My interpretation is that since the page is named after the book then the book's usage takes precedence, and that this page should not include the hyphen. almost-instinct 15:13, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would have thought that the version as used on the book cover should be transcribed to the name of the page without adding a hyphen. Snowman (talk) 15:20, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Unless someone more knowledgeable points out some guideline that trumps our discussion here I agree that the page should be called The Oxford Book of Twentieth Century English Verse almost-instinct 15:29, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, yes, if you include The that is what it should be called. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Name in list not in alphabetical order

Colin Lewis was included in the list at the time the page was created, but he is not in alphabetical order. Is there a typo? Snowman (talk) 20:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Belatedly: the name should be Colin Ellis. blameless 04:31, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]