Talk:The Storm (short story)

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I think this section needs an info box for people who want quick information about the article so I will be adding one. Williams17 (talk) 19:07, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

I think that there is information in the first paragraph that needs citation so I will be adding it.Dkwia1 (talk) 18:38, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

In addition to needing citations, the analysis section needs to be cleaned up. Quotations are not integrated, and the meaning is thus unclear. Oeparker1 (talk) 22:24, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

I agree. The analysis doesn't have any references or citations included in it. This could lead to the section not being reliable. Possibly adding reputable sources will help it to not be removed. Jjperez1 (talk) 17:17, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

This page needs to be deleted because The Storm is not a novel; it's a short story. I went ahead and created a mirror article called The Storm (Short Story). Not sure how to delete this though.--Maxmouse 02:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MZMcBride (talk • contribs)

I deleted a long section under analysis that more or less attacked the story for being immoral. Bc.rox.all (talk) 01:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I added that is to the first sentence right before the word absent. Jswen1 (talk) 20:55, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

I think that the fact that "The Storm" is a sequel should be brought up in both the lead and plot summaryZtyler460 (talk) 03:11, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

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Looking for external discussion/interpretation

I am currently looking for links to external sources of interpretation for "The Storm". I think that this page could use some links to other individuals work - such as those found in the "References" section of "A Good Man Is Hard to Find (short story)". References in the "Analysis" section would also be nice.

I have noticed that the current external source leads to an error page and cannot be opened, so I am going to remove it from the pageJswen1 (talk) 21:11, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

As a side-note, when comparing the two articles, "The Storm (short story)" and "A Good Man Is Hard to Find (short story)", I realize that the section where people have provided interpretation of each story has a different name - "Interpretation" for one, and "Analysis" for the other. I think that, although trivial, this type of thing could use standardization. I hope I'm not out of line when I do this, but I'm going to go forth and edit this article's section to "Interpretation". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thalarctusmaritimus (talk • contribs) 05:03, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

"The Storm" wiki page needs a new link to the story. Bryalis (talk) 21:15, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

There is history between Calixta and Alcee, which can be witnessed in the story "At the Cadian Ball" where both Bobinot and Alcee go after Calixta but it is of social class reasons as to why Alcee and Calixta couldn't be together, this is important information that should be included. Cdebo3 (talk) 16:31, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

We can also include an interpretation of the shrimp Bobint gets as a gift for Calixta, how it is a platonic gift. Showing the lack of intimacy or romance they have in their marriage, hence why the affair takes place; sexual desire.Cdebo3 (talk) 16:31, 11 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdebo3 (talk • contribs) 19:45, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Plot Summary

I think it should be noted that Alcée has a number of babies with his wife Clarisse. It better represents their love for eachother rather than just stating that they are husband and wife. Emilydean1 (talk) 16:48, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree with this statement that the author fails to display the significant love each of the characters have with one another to give better reasoning as to why there was conflict and resolution throughout the story. Abdiel Tejada (talk) 18:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I added in that Alcée is married with children of his own. Good catch. Lwarn1 (talk) 17:03, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

That makes sense, especially because the detail about Bobinot buying shrimp for Calixta, which is included in the summary, shows that the two of them have a happy marriage as well. Dumas1110 (talk) 21:21, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you very informative.Dan tuohy (talk) 17:14, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I highly agree with the first sentence I wish you could've elaborated more because not many people know that sex was not a thing talked about so casually during that time. It was seen as a bad thing something unholy to talk what happens in the bedrooms stays thereEmiliemareus (talk) 19:56, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't believe "alcee is hesitant" while he's waiting in the rain. I believe they both know what they want. Maybe this should be changed to "alcee waited impatiently." Tpoul2 (talk) 17:01, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

I do not agree, they have not seen each other alone and the only reason why they had an encounter is because of the unexpected storm.Kiarabhiro (talk) 16:19, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

I think it might be considered for change that Alcee asks Calixta if he can shelter in her home while the storm passes. It states right now that Calixta invites Alcee inside but really Alcee asks and Calixta is hesitant at first but finally agrees.Hbran21 (talk) 20:57, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree. Also the plot summary states that she worries about her son and husband while she's collecting the clothes, in the story she doesn't really worry about their safety. Kcolv1 (talk) 21:09, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I deleted "including Bobinôt's trousers" because I felt that it was an unnecessary detail for the summary. VinceFaustini (talk) 02:55, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I added/ changed one part of the summary that seems to end a little abruptly. When you write "Alcee rides off..." I just changed it so that it feels more complete, I said they both go their separate ways and both are met with new feelings. DylanAponte (talk) 05:01, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree that Calixta has no worry for her husband because she's completely intranced in the situation Tpoul2 (talk) 16:29, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree with this and I also believe that besides just being "entranced in the situation", Calixta's intensions are just to rekindle an old flame. She does not have the intentions of ruining her marriage over this affair. Ashsosa1 (talk) 14:15, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Calixta and Alcee truelly have no worry of what's going on in their lives outside of what was happening in that moment Choin describes their passion as mutual power and desire for each other Tpoul2 (talk) 17:19, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

I changed the word hesitant to impatiently waiting in regards to Alcee standing on the porch while its pouring outside because it flows and fits better.Tpoul2 (talk) 17:17, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't think that "impatient" is the right word. The book states that he "expressed an intention to remain outside" (para 10) but, to me, that doesn't show impatience. I think it was more to show respect for the fact that Calixta is home alone without her husband.Jrams2 (talk) 02:04, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

In the summary there are some factual errors, but the overall chronology of events is correct and clearly stated. Williams17 (talk) 12:46, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree, one error was that it mentioned that Calixta immediately embraces Bobint and Bibi when they returned home without mentioning how dirty Bibi was but she did notice him being muddy Asant12 (talk) 17:21, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Where specifically does it say that the story took place in Louisiana? It can be inferred that it occurred there but I found no evidence in the story supporting that it did indeed take place in Louisiana. I think that it should be stated the same way it is in the introduction where it says "somewhere in the south"Jrams2 (talk) 16:49, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Some versions of this story spell "Bobinot" as "bobint", someone should add that in thereCamcam80 (talk) 22:09, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

I also noticed the spelling difference Asant12 (talk) 17:21, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

There is an online version that spells the names incorrectly. This is apparently a result of attempting to put accents in the characters’ names (because they do have them): their names are: Bobinôt and Alcée. Dumas1110 (talk) 21:15, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

I liked the plot summary that was already there, but I felt like it lacked some information about what Alcee was feeling.--Jpabo2 (talk) 18:43, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

I am adding to the plot summary at the end, that Bobinot was very shocked at Calixta's response when they returned home. She is always worried about their cleanliness and attire, but today is different. This adds to her mood in the story and the effects the affair has on their marriage so i think it is an important part of the plot. Jchud2 (talk) 13:55, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I think that this is a very interesting observation and someone should expand on it. Alexaorlando7 (talk) 17:25, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

In the third paragraph i think that it was Alcee that asks Calixta if he can come in first. Brubes2 (talk) 21:03, 11 April 2019 (UTC)Brubes2

I edited the 3rd paragraph first sentence to say that Alcee asked her if he could come inBrubes2 (talk) 21:31, 11 April 2019 (UTC) Brubes2

At the end of the last paragraph, it talks about how once the storm ended, Alcee and Calixta's passion for each just vanished. They are not wrong, however, the word choice should be different because their love didn't just disappear it just was easier to move on after they both had some closure. 16 April 2019 (UTC) amcma3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amcma3 (talk • contribs)

I certainly agree that the affair between Alcee and Calixta had provided them closure - Although the plot summary states that their current relationships are supposedly "new." But, considering the fact that each couple has had children, should we make a change indicating that their current relationships have actually been long-term to avoid confusion? Smxash39c (talk) 00:37, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

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At the end of the 2nd to last paragraph, it says that Alcèe and Calixta were happy with their current marriage, and happy with closure on the past one, referring to their affair, but this could be mistaken as the two of them being previously married, so better word choice here is require Marc201 (talk) 13:04, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Also at the end of the plot summary, it is stated that "The end of the storm specifically leaves the status of the affair between Calixta and Alcée open-ended as Alcée takes an extended stay absence from his wife to be in closer proximity to Calixta after the events of the night." But where in the story is this the proven reason that Alcee writes to his wife? If Calixta and Alcee only had the affair to gain closure, why would Alcee want to remain close to Calixta? G.Sant6 (talk) 15:45, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I deleted the last sentence in the plot summary's first paragraph. It said, "He wanted to save him." This sentence was not very specific.Angiekullira (talk) 20:33, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Analysis

This needs some touching up. Some facts are not entirely accurate. I believe it was the third paragraph when it states, "The narrator begins by describing Calixta as a worrisome wife," this is not true. In the story, the author first describes Bobinôt and Bibi stuck in Friedheimer's store in section one. Then, the author writes, "Calixta, at home, felt no uneasiness for their safety," in the first sentence of the second section (Chopin). Also I do not agree with the page when it says, "Calixta's husband, the reader assumes, no longer looks at her the way Alcée does," because while Bobinôt and Bibi are stuck in the store, Bobinôt picks out a can of shrimps for Calixta. Another thing is the quotes need to get integrated. I will be working on this. Lwarn1 (talk) 16:37, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree with you as well. Some of the facts do not line up with what the story entails. As a fan of this story, I believe it is rather necessary to be true to the facts and be sure of having correct information. If you need help or need another source to help write about this topic, feel free to contact me and we can work together to provide a relevant and truthful explanation. Lmuraskin18 (talk) 05:19, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. Also, I feel that the quotes could be integrated into the paragraph better as well, so that the overall paragraph flows better.Nholm2 (talk) 16:25, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

I also agree that the facts of the story need to be correct on this page Asant12 (talk) 16:21, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Agreed! Calixta expressed no worry towards her marriage in particular. In the first section it is mentioned that, " She sat at a side window sewing furiously on a sewing machine. She was greatly occupied and did not notice the approaching storm." (Chopin) She did not look for Bobinôt during her encounter with Alcee, nor did she feel any remorse for her actions. This encounter acted as a form of rejuvenation of her sexuality that Bobinôt was not indeed satisfying. The only character who was "worried," was Bobinôt. ChristienOlivera418 (talk) 17:16, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree! This is just assuming things rather than stating facts. They say that Calixta's husband does not look at her the same way as Alcee does, not realizing her husbands literally at the store to get something for Calixta. It does not matter what way he looks at her, you can tell he is head over heels for her by him going out in a storm just to get her what she wanted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amcma3 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I agree with this statement. Ashsosa1 (talk) 14:30, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree with the statement also. The changes will make a big differences and the analysis section would be organized.Wgome1 (talk) 21:56, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Please make these changes! The analysis section really needs to be fixed! Oeparker1 (talk)

21:02, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

There are no citations for Mary's ascension into Heaven, or her Assumption. Maybe this can work SYisehak (talk) 01:27, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm touching up the grammar and sentence flow of the analysis, if that's okay. Dboyn1 (talk) 8:05, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

I will add an apporpriate citation for Assumption, since nobody has done so. The relevancy of this citation can be discussed. SYisehak (talk) 12:49, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

There are no in-text citations included in this section. They are not needed in the summary, but they are needed in the analysis section because you use quotes from the book to support your analytical findings. Also, I enjoyed your comparison of the chinaberry tree to rosary beads and your further analysis of why Chopin chose to have a chinaberry tree in that scene. Your organization of paragraphs is also pleasing because each new paragraph introduces a new idea so every idea is separated from the last. Your third paragraph is a little confusing and I believe that the argument is not significant enough. Also, the fourth paragraph can be more developed. I believe that you can explore the concept of white meaning purity in the story. What can you conclude about Chopin's thinking if she believes that what Alcee and Calixta are doing is pure? Williams17 (talk) 13:00, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

I have done some searching and found that chinaberry trees can also represent a female's sexuality. The chinaberry tree being struck by lightning can be akin to Calixta's sex drive being "set alight".SYisehak (talk) 04:06, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

I found quite an interesting journal entry on some interpretations of The Storm. I recommend that it should be read through, and anything liked could probably be added to the analysis section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SYisehak (talk • contribs) 13:07, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

This analysis section is a mess. Wikipedia guidelines demand that editors avoid contributing their own original content. Most of this text in the analysis section involves individual editor interpretation. Instead, editors should summarize critical analysis... that is analysis from authors published in peer reviewed journals or other credible sources. This entire analysis section should be deleted and rebuilt. Kbrowe (talk) 15:13, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Agreed, the last two sentences of the first paragraph stood out most to me upon first reading.Jrams2 (talk) 16:38, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

The 3rd paragraph of the analysis section is confusing so I changed it around and added a secondary source to support my ideas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Williams17 (talk • contribs) 02:11, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

I feel that the author uses too much symbolism for different things in the story, which is not a bad thing but it does not need to be expresses so greatly. For example, he mentions a fact about the Catholic religion and it is a good fact, but the whole story's symbolism is based on marriage, not a whole bunch of things that you mention because its redundant for the most part. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdarb1 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

I noticed that the analysis talks a lot about the catholic religion in the beginning. I feel like it focuses too much on that and not enough about the story.MichelleRose913 (talk) 22:54, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Agreed, there should be an analysis of how the storm's description changes overtime from dangerous and imminent to more positive words, much like the affair.Cdebo3 (talk) 17:42, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

I think that there needs to be a change in the fact that the analysis says the storm symbolizes the destruction the affair has on Calixta's marriage. In reality, we might think that an affair during marriage is a bad thing, but in the story, it clearly shows that this makes both Calixta's and Alcee's marriages happier. Marriage tends to tie people down and restrict them from certain things and "The Storm" shows how breaking free from this trap is only healthy for the characters.Jchud2 (talk) 14:08, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree, there should be an analysis as to why both Alcee and Calixta have an affair; because of the entrapment of marriage. Go into detail with how the time period and marriage work together to create this passionate affair.Cdebo3 (talk) 17:20, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

I also agree. The time period of when the story was written should be something explored in the analysis because it may explain why the characters had an affair and what they believe about marriage.Ztyler460 (talk) 03:07, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Article Evaluation • Everything in the article is relevant to the article topic if The Storm and there is nothing that distracted me, it is very straight forward. • The article is neutral, as it is a summary rather than something that involves an opinion. • There aren't any viewpoints that are overrepresented, or underrepresented in my personal view o The citation links do work correctly and directly support the summary/story • Each fact is referenced with an appropriate, reliable reference. I am able to tell this because the links left on the page directly support what was said. The information comes from other articles or wiki pages. These pages are neutral/ not biased o The article was last updated 16 April 2018 so I believe it is up to date. I personally do not think anything could be added, very useful page. • The way we discussed this article in class had mostly the same viewpoints that this summary did. • No exact words from the story used without quotation marks. • Also there are there inaccuracies in the plot summary. • The quotations are used and seemed to be used correctly. • The structure of the page is direct and to the point, not confusing at all. Dsamu1 (talk) 16:38 21 April 2018 (UTC)

I am adding in a cited reference to the analysis section about the lack of judgment from the narrator, as I feel that is an important aspect when analyzing this story.Ecarpe3 (talk) 17:13, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I find it hard to make an analysis both informative and free of bias, for example throughout the piece, there are very loaded words that insinuate personal opinion. I believe that the best alternative is to at the sake of over-generalizing expand on the facts in such a way that can deepen the understanding of the text while not making personal conclusions. So instead of saying some like "the lightning strike stands as a motif for the lust between the two protagonists" one can say "it can be said that the lightning hitting the tree in the second act has may symbolic possibilities, one which is common is that it may resemble the lust shared between the protagonists" --Mnk2019 (talk) 23:05, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

References

Plot Summary

The plot summary includes a few direct quotes from the story but is not followed by any acutal citations. Alindo1 (talk) 17:04, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

This page already has a section on plot summary (above). This comment should appear there instead. Oeparker1 (talk) 21:01, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Character section and Table of Contents

I think we should add a character section because I noticed that there was a lack of one in this article and it is important to highlight the characters in the story. Also, I think once there is a character section, a table of contents should be included so when people read the article about "The Storm" it would be easier to find what they are looking for.Esierra12 (talk) 20:46, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

I am adding a little more description to Calixta's character summary and changing the form of beau from plural to singularQuoththeRAven (talk) 18:51, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

I think that the characters' names should be bolded or underlined.Grace05110430 (talk) 00:24, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree. Since without the characters names being highlighted, it makes it very distracting for the reader and harder to focus as well. Nholm2 (talk) 16:29, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

In some versions of the story, the names are spelled differently. Specifically, "Alcee". I feel this should be pointed out. (https://americanliterature.com/author/kate-chopin/short-story/the-storm)Kiarabhiro (talk) 16:32, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

I am adding a little more description to Clarisse's character summary to show where she was during the storm. Jnovi1 (talk) 14:15, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

I think the list of characters should be rearranged because I think Calixta should be first then her husband and son and the Alcee and his wife. I think having Alcee right after Calixta makes it seem like they are married even though they are not.LaurynB.7 (talk) 14:12, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Plot Summary

In the first paragraph, should it describe who "the pair" is instead of leaving it up to interpretation? I understand it explains the father his son in the beginning of the paragraph, but it seemed unclear to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgrif4 (talk • contribs) 14:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Analysis

There are some changes in this section that I believe will help benefit this part. For example the writer goes back to the when the storm started and how Calixta was oblivious to the fact the storm start after talking about how her and Alcee had an affair which was linked to the storm. That third paragraph should of been combined with the first so readers weren't thrown off to why it was analyzed out of order — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neeshai (talk • contribs) 00:45, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Great overall analysis!

Sam G — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgabo1 (talk • contribs)

Plot Summary

I believe your plot summary is VERY well written, it makes sense and flows in the correct order. However, there are some grammatical changes that I would make. In your first paragraph you state, "Meanwhile, back at their house, Bobinôt's wife, Calixta is so occupied with her sewing that at first she does not notice the ominous clouds or thunder." The first part of the sentence seems a little choppy. I recommend changing the beginning to say, "Meanwhile, back at their house, Calixta, Bobinot's wife," or maybe remove the phrase, " Bobinot's wife," since you explain the characters orientation with each other later in the article. You should also include a comma after the word first where it says, "occupied with her sewing that at first, she does not notice."

In the first sentence of the second paragraph you state, "The storm worsens so Calixta invites..." It would benefit your article to apply a comma after the word "so".

Afar from the grammatical changes above, I think you have a strong article! ErickahM0607 (talk) 03:57, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree that the plot summary is very good. I also agree with the changes suggested. Sparr3 (talk) 20:46, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

I also agree that the plot summary is very well written and gives the article reader a good sense of what the story is about. However, I also agree with the grammatical changes that need to be made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dkwia1 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree with the changes that should be made. I also think the plot summary was well written. ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wgome1 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Symbolism

Although the storm itself is symbolism from the story, there are other forms of symbolism that should be added as part of this section. There is also the small town of Assumption. Assumption is where Calixta and Alcee first met and where they shared their first kiss. However, Assumption also has religious relations with the meaning of virginity. Alcee and Calixta never had sexual relations in Assumption. Rather than having sex in a place associated with virginity, they decided to do this act in the comfort of Calixta's home. ErickahM0607 (talk) 13:54, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

The chinaberry tree and other elements are also symbolic. It would be nice for the symbols to all be included in this section, which might help the coherence of the "Analysis" section of the article. Dumas1110 (talk) 13:58, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree. The chinaberry tree as well as the lightning bolt serve importance. This should be mentioned as the chinaberry tree represents both Alcee and Calixta, while the lightning bolt represents their passion being "struck".Angiekullira (talk) 20:57, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Citation should be provided to prove that they really were in Louisiana at the time. Also, there is no citation stating that the time was truly in the 19th century. Ehiremen ekore (talk) 03:07, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree, there should be mention of the setting being placed in Louisiana along with a citation but not necessarily in this section. Perhaps in the 1st section where we mention the author and a general overview of what "The Storm" is about, or in the plot summary section.Cdebo3 (talk) 17:13, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

This section is missing symbolic figure of the color white. It is mentioned slightly in the analysis, but would more detail of the color white on innocence and purity would fit well in this section EddySum (talk) 21:32, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

I agree that more needs to be added to this section. The color white also shows Calixta's virginity within her marriage and how she rarely fulfills sexual desires. This is shown with the symbolism of her white bed.Jchud2 (talk) 14:17, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I also agree with the other symbolisms for the color white in the story Asant12 (talk) 16:19, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

This section is also missing the symbolism or religion. There are several parts of the story that refer to religion, such as "Assumption." I think that they play key roles in the story as a whole and show aspects of the time period and their importance.Jchud2 (talk) 14:13, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree that there is evidence of what time period the story takes place, but I don't think that there is much direct evidence of religion and its role in the story. Alexaorlando7 (talk) 17:21, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

"Assumption" could refer to religion as well as virginity and purity. Alcee brought this up because they kissed in Assumption which could symbolize that they weren't innocent in the past, so they don't have to be so innocent in the present. Angiekullira (talk) 20:57, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I added a paragraph on Assumption that goes more in depth.Angiekullira (talk) 00:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Even though Calixta's skin is said to be white in the article to symbolize her innocence, it is still missing the term "birthright" which is mentioned in the story itself. I will add this is because it proves how even though she is perceived as innocent, it is not her first time with a sexual partner.Aleross11 (talk) 17:17, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

I appreciate your addition to the article, but one thing that I had noticed in your sentence directly after your use of the term "birthright," is what seems to be a "double negative." Could you perhaps reconstruct that sentence to perhaps be a little more clear to readers as to what you're trying to say? Smxash39c (talk) 17:18, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

I am going to remove citation number 9 because it is from an unreliable source, and replace by reusing citation number 1Sstan6UNH (talk) 21:10, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I combined the sections describing marriage symbolism and white symbolism to make a more concise description overall.Cj.vincent22 (talk) 18:45, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

This section was missing "flowers" as a form of symbolism, so I added it in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angiekullira (talk • contribs) 01:52, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Introduction

Overall the introduction is well written, but there is no evidence of there being "frequent and dangerous" storms. In fact, Calixta comments on how "'It's good two years sence it rain' like that'" in section II of the story.Jrams2 (talk) 17:04, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree that nowhere in the story does it mention that there are "frequent and dangerous" storms. That quote should be removed unless there is evidence that can back it up.Dkwia1 (talk) 23:59, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree, someone should add evidence or delete it.Camcam80 (talk) 22:07, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Analysis

I agree that the analysis some content should be cited or it may seem not plausible.Gchav1 (talk) 22:35, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Other Versions

There was a movie made in 2009 based off of the story. I'm going to add it under a new section.Jrams2 (talk) 13:25, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Themes

Right now there is no section for themes in the article but I think it would be helpful. There are definitely themes in the story that need to be discussed, such as marriage, so these ideas should be added on the actual page.LaurynB.7 (talk) 15:02, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Marriage

This theme is very important, therefore, I think it should be included. It can be discussed that marriage is thought of as a monogamous relationship, while in this story the marriage vows are broken. Calixta has an affair with Alcee, yet after this little fling their marriages continues like nothing happened. Marriage in this short story can be seen as an arranged relationship, and it is necessary to go outside this boundary to satisfy a person's needs. Grace05110430 (talk) 01:26, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I 100% agree with this being needed on the actual page. I added a whole paragraph about marriage in the Critical Response section because I feel that it is very important to the storyMcont4 (talk) 22:34, 13 November 2017 (

I agree that there needs to be a theme section added. It is evident that marriage is the main recurring theme in this story and it needs to be portrayed as so. Jchud2 (talk) 14:20, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I think that it should also be added that the theme of marriage being confining is present as well. Both Calixta and Alcee are happier when they are not thinking about their marriages. In addition, Alcee's wife does not want to return to her normal life with Alcee. Even though they care about their significant others, they find life more enjoyable when they do not feel bound to one person or way of life, which is shown when Alcee's wife is relieved and feels "the first free breath since her marriage" when she finds out he is okay with her staying away for longer. Aross9 (talk) 23:26, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree that the theme of marriage being confining is present, but I think it should be noted that Calixta and Alcée are happy in their marriages. Though they had an affair with each other, they still care for their families. Alexaorlando7 (talk) 17:12, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Normalizing Affairs

This story explores affairs in a much different light than what would have been considered during the time period in which it was written. The author treats the affair as a normal part of life and does not shame it in any way. Everyone is able to remain happy at the end without anything being ruined by the affair. Additionally, the figurative language used to compare the affair to nature is quite vital to this idea. It creates the feeling that the affair actually is natural.Eristev4 (talk) 14:13, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree that the author treats the affair as if it were a normal part of life. I also get the sense that there was an underlying message that the affair actually helped Calixta and Alcee's family afterward. I think it would be interesting to add to the page to see what other people think of this idea. Bmcph1 (talk) 01:12, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Mentioning the sections in the story

When actually reading the story, it is broken up into different sections. These allow each different piece of the story to be interpreted on its own as well as in context with the entire story. These sections are not mentioned anywhere in the article. I think they should be either added within the plot summary or discussed within the analysis. The breaks in the sections of the story provide the reader with completely separate scenes but allows an easy understanding. Additionally, different relationships between characters are highlighted in each of these sections. In the very least, this should at least be mentioned once in the article. Eristev4 (talk) 14:07, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree that the fact that the story has separate sections should be discussed within the article. For example, Alcée and Bobinôt do not ever appear within the same section, and neither do Calixta and Clarisse. Cj.vincent22 (talk) 18:02, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Critical Response

I think that more needs to be added to this section of the article, being that there are multiple points of views to the plot and theme. Jchud2 (talk) 14:25, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I just made a minor change because there was an extremely long run on sentence. I changed it by splitting it into two sentenced.Bmcph1 (talk) 03:20, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

But Do Alcee and Calixta Really "Go Their Separate Ways"?

Several comments in the Talk section seem to assume that the passionate episode between Calixta and Alcee is a one-time fling. Others state that the respective marriages of these two are happy and content. However, the first story of the pair, "At the 'Cadian Ball," makes clear that Calixta is seriously in love with Alcee. Although the attraction he feels for her is almost entirely physical, he's decent enough to "flee" rather than endanger her virginity. Several years later, at the time of "The Storm," their marriages are presented as settled and placid rather than exactly "happy." And a broad hint implies that Alcee's wife Clarisse welcomes a vacation from him because she doesn't enjoy her marital duties.

In regard to Alcee and Calixta returning to their former faithfulness to their spouses, after the storm, the story leaves some doubt. Because divorce was so unthinkable at that time, and because they belong to different castes in society, they'll almost certainly stay married to others. However, we have to consider Alcee's letter to his wife, in which he urges her to extend her vacation by a month. The only reason he would do this is if he hoped, and planned, to have opportunities for further romantic encounters with Calixta. 23.121.115.9 (talk) 15:12, 26 October 2020 (UTC)