Talk:Trsteno Arboretum

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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Trsteno was copied or moved into Trsteno Arboretum with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

Copyright violation?

The article is a split from Trsteno, and its full history can be seen there.

It is not clear whether the text was copied from travel2city.com or vice versa. If one takes a look at http://travel2city.com/dalmatia/, many articles seem to be copied: Lokrum, Primošten, Šibenik. I'm suspecting this was stolen from Wikipedia rather than the other way around, but I can't prove it at the moment. GregorB (talk) 17:47, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This edit to Šibenik, compared with the corresponding page at travel2city.com, seems to prove that Wikipedia's content is older. GregorB (talk) 17:50, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also from this historic version of travel2city.com:

Dalmatia (Croatian Dalmacija, Italian Dalmazia, Serbian: Далмација) is a region on the eastern coast of the Adriatic Sea, (mostly) in modern Croatia, spreading between the island of Rab in the northwest and the Gulf of Kotor (Boka Kotorska) in the southeast. Inner Dalmatia (Dalmatinska Zagora) is fifty kilometers inland in the north but narrows to just a few kilometers wide in the south.

Rather obvious this was lifted from Wikipedia... GregorB (talk) 18:14, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's looking like an obvious Wikipedia mirror, so I will revert the blanking of the page. I don't see any previous discussion of the site, and it doesn't appear to be listed at Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks. I'll look into it a bit more so we can list it there.--Beloved Freak 13:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've looked into it a bit more, it seems pretty clear cut. My comparisons are below.--Beloved Freak 14:36, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright concerns

Ok, to make this clearer we can compare the external source with the material as it appears here, and see how it evolved at Wikipedia. The first few paragraphs of the Travel2city page:

Trsteno is a village northwest of Dubrovnik in southern Croatia, population 237 (2001). The name probably comes from the word trska which means reed. It is located on the magistral road between the villages Orašac and Slano.

Trsteno is most famous for its arboretum, the oldest in this part of the world.

The arboretum was erected by the local noble family Gučetić/Gozze in the late 15th century, who requested ship captains to bring back seeds and plants from their travels. The exact start date for the arboretum is unknown, but it was already in existence by 1492, when a 15 m span aqueduct to irrigate the arboretum was constructed; this aqueduct is still in use.

Let's compare to the first part of Trsteno as it appeared before the split a few days ago (tags and citations removed for easier reading):

Trsteno (Cannosa in Italian, Canait in Dalmatic) is a village northwest of Dubrovnik in southern Croatia, population 237 (2001). The name probably comes from the word trska which means reed. It is located on the magistral road between the villages Orašac and Slano.

Trsteno is most famous for its arboretum, the oldest in this part of the world.
The arboretum was erected by the local noble family Gučetić/Gozze (see House of Gozze) in the late 15th century, who requested ship captains to bring back seeds and plants from their travels. The exact start date for the arboretum is unknown, but it was already in existence by 1492, when a 15 m span aqueduct to irrigate the arboretum was constructed; this aqueduct is still in use. ...

Within what was once the noble family's country house, there is the oldest Renaissance park in Croatia, designed in 1502, with numerous exotic plants.

As we can see, they are almost identical. The oldest version of the material that I can find on Wikipedia is actually on another article altogether, Nikola Vitov Gučetić. The first edit to that page in August 2004 gives us:

In Trsteno, near Dubrovnik, first Arboretum in this part of the world was founded by the noble family in 1495. Within once their country house, there is the oldest, ( designed in 1502), Renaissance park in Croatia with numerous exotic plants.

A couple of weeks later:

In town of Trsteno,(trska=reed), near Dubrovnik, the first arboretum in this part of the world was founded by the noble family in 1495. Within once their country house, there is the oldest, (designed in 1502), Renaissance park in Croatia with numerous exotic plants.

By July 2005 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nikola_Vitov_Gu%C4%8Deti%C4%87&action=historysubmit&diff=19305572&oldid=17792800 it had become]:

In the town of Trsteno (trska=reed) near Dubrovnik, the first arboretum in this part of the world was founded by the family in 1495. Within what was once their country house, there is the oldest Renaissance park in Croatia, designed in 1502, with numerous exotic plants.

It was then split into the Trsteno article, and looks more like the current version:

Trsteno is a village northwest of Dubrovnik in southern Croatia, population 237 (2001). The name probably comes from the word trska which means reed.
Trsteno is most famous for its arboretum, the oldest in this part of the world.
The arboretum was erected by the local noble family Gučetić/Gozze in the late 15th century, who requested ship captains to bring back seeds and plants from their travels. The exact start date for the arboretum is unknown, but it was already in existence by 1492, when a 15 m span aqueduct to irrigate the arboretum was constructed; this aqueduct is still in use. ...
Within what was once the noble family's country house, there is the oldest Renaissance park in Croatia, designed in 1502, with numerous exotic plants.

In February 2006 we have the addition:

It is located on the magistral road between the villages Orašac and Slano.

Since the copyright notice on the Travel2city is dated 2006, it makes sense that they lifted the article sometime after this edit. The organic way that the article developed strongly suggests that travel2city copie the material from Wikipedia. --Beloved Freak 14:36, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have listed the website at Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks/Stu. if any editor is concerned about their work being used without attribution, there are steps you can take to contact the website, more info on how to do this at Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks.--Beloved Freak 14:54, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]