Talk:Truth, Time and History

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Wiki Education assignment: Nineteenth-Century Art

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 30 August 2022 and 8 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Littlecometsburning8 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Margotstrg (talk) 17:17, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Citation needed to verify" in painting info box

I'm unsure of how to edit the citation in the info box about the painting. I've tried various links, but I can't seem to find where to change that information.

If anyone else knows how to change it - one possible source of citation for the date range provided in the info box (1804-08) is here:

Gallego Garcia, Raquel, et al. “Catálogo Online De Obra De Francisco De Goya.” Fundación Goya En Aragón, 2010. International Foundation for Art Research, https://fundaciongoyaenaragon.es/ .

-- specifically on the page titled Truth, Time, and History

There should already be a citation for this on the page.

Littlecometsburning8 (talk) 09:48, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Provenance Pre-1867

There's a debate / commentary to be added upon here, but I couldn't find scholarly sources who claimed to have evidence of provenance beyond this line from the Janis Tomlinson source:

"Yet the recent publication of Sepúlveda’s diary entry for a visit to Godoy’s collection on 28 April 1807 has brought new evidence to light. Whereas in his earlier visit of 1800 the diarist had noted that the ceilings of Godoy’s palace were in a state of disrepair, in 1807 he reports that “the ceilings are painted by Goya and one of his students.”

I can't find any other source mentioning this note and the writer then goes on to say:

"In light of this [the unreliable provenance], we might become ever more engulfed in hypothesis to suggest either that Spain,Time, and History and the Allegory of Poetry were not originally paired or (and here we leave the realm of speculation to enter that of heresy) that if the admittedly weak and today much deteriorated composition of Spain, Time, and History did originally belong to Godoy, it was mainly the work of the unnamed student to whom Sepúlveda refers."

I wasn't comfortable putting this in the article because none of these points or anything like it are even remotely close to being brought up in the other sources I found. This author is suggesting that Goya potentially isn't the author of this work - something so contrary to an assumption that is normally undisputed as fact. Littlecometsburning8 (talk) 10:17, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]