Talk:Typhoon Joan (1997)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Typhoon Joan (1997)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Seabuckthorn (talk · contribs) 18:03, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Nominator: ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)

Hi! I'll be reviewing this article for GA status, and should have my full review up shortly. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 18:03, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

1: Well-written

• a. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:
• b. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

WP:LEAD:

Check for WP:LEAD: Check for Correct Structure of Lead Section:  Done Check for Citations (WP:LEADCITE):  Done Check for Introductory text:  Done Check for Provide an accessible overview (MOS:INTRO):  Done Major Point 1: Meteorological history "Joan, concurrently with … becoming extratropical on October 24." (summarised well in the lead) Major Point 2: Impact and records "On Saipan, Typhoon Joan destroyed 37 houses … killing one of its occupants and leaving two others missing." (summarised well in the lead) Check for Relative emphasis:  Done Major Point 1: Meteorological history "Joan, concurrently with … becoming extratropical on October 24." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 2: Impact and records "On Saipan, Typhoon Joan destroyed 37 houses … killing one of its occupants and leaving two others missing." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body) Check for Opening paragraph (MOS:BEGIN):  Done Check for First sentence (WP:LEADSENTENCE):  Done Typhoon Joan was the longest-lasting super typhoon at the time, maintaining 1-minute maximum sustained winds of at least 240 km/h (150 mph) for 4.5 days. Check for Format of the first sentence (MOS:BOLDTITLE):  Done Check for Proper names and titles:  Done Check for Abbreviations and synonyms (MOS:BOLDSYN): None Check for Foreign language (MOS:FORLANG): None Check for Pronunciation: None Check for Contextual links (MOS:CONTEXTLINK):  Done Check for Biographies: NA Check for Organisms: NA Check for Biographies of living persons: NA Check for Alternative names (MOS:LEADALT):  Done Check for Non-English titles: Check for Usage in first sentence: Check for Separate section usage: Check for Length (WP:LEADLENGTH):  Done Check for Clutter (WP:LEADCLUTTER): None

WP:LAYOUT:

Done Check for WP:LAYOUT:  Done Check for Body sections: WP:BODY, MOS:BODY.  Done Check for Headings and sections:  Done Check for Section templates and summary style:  Done Check for Paragraphs (MOS:PARAGRAPHS):  Done Paragraphs should be short enough to be readable, but long enough to develop an idea. (WP:BETTER) Fix "The extratropical remnants of Joan produced high swells in Hawaii, with wave heights of 4.6 m (15 ft) along northern shores." in the Impact and records section. Merged paragraphs. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:00, 22 January 2014 (UTC) Check for Standard appendices and footers (MOS:APPENDIX):  Done Check for Order of sections (WP:ORDER):  Done Check for Works or publications:  Done Check for See also section (MOS:SEEALSO): None Check for Notes and references (WP:FNNR):  Done Check for Further reading (WP:FURTHER): None Check for External links (WP:LAYOUTEL): None Check for Links to sister projects: None Check for Navigation templates:  Done Check for Formatting:  Done Check for Images (WP:LAYIM):  Done Check for Links:  Done Check for Horizontal rule (WP:LINE):  Done

WP:WTW:

Done Check for WP:WTW:  Done Check for Words that may introduce bias:  Done Check for Puffery (WP:PEA):  Done Check for Contentious labels (WP:LABEL):  Done Check for Unsupported attributions (WP:WEASEL):  Done Check for Expressions of doubt (WP:ALLEGED):  Done Check for Editorializing (MOS:OPED):  Done Check for Synonyms for said (WP:SAY):  Done Check for Expressions that lack precision:  Done Check for Euphemisms (WP:EUPHEMISM):  Done Check for Clichés and idioms (WP:IDIOM):  Done Check for Relative time references (WP:REALTIME):  Done Check for Neologisms (WP:PEA): None Check for Offensive material (WP:F***):  Done Check for WP:MOSFICT:  Done Check for Real-world perspective (WP:Real world):  Done Check for Primary and secondary information (WP:PASI):  Done Check for Contextual presentation (MOS:PLOT):  Done

WP:EMBED:
None Prose is preferred over list (WP:PROSE): Check for Tables (MOS:TABLES):

2: Verifiable with no original research

• a. Has an appropriate reference section: Yes
• b. Citation to reliable sources where necessary: excellent (Thorough check on Google. Cross-checked with other FAs)

WP:RS:

Done Check for WP:RS:  Done Cross-checked with other FAs: South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season, Hurricane Diane, Hurricane Hattie, Hurricane Carol, Typhoon Rusa, Typhoon Chataan, Hurricane Lenny, Typhoon Gay (1992), 1991 Perfect Storm, 1991 Atlantic hurricane season, Hurricane Charley (1986), Hurricane Gordon (2006), Hurricane Ginger, 1950 Atlantic hurricane season, Typhoon Sudal, Cyclone Gonu, Tropical Storm Marco (1990), Hurricane Bob (1985), Subtropical Storm Andrea (2007), Hurricane Daniel (2006) Check for the material (WP:RSVETTING): (not contentious)  Done Is it contentious?: No Does the ref indeed support the material?: Check for the author (WP:RSVETTING):  Done Who is the author?: Does the author have a Wikipedia article?: What are the author's academic credentials and professional experience?: What else has the author published?: Is the author, or this work, cited in other reliable sources? In academic works?: Check for the publication (WP:RSVETTING):  Done Check for Self-published sources (WP:SPS):

WP:MINREF:
Done Check for inline citations WP:MINREF:  Done Check for Direct quotations:  Done Check for Likely to be challenged:  Done Check for Contentious material about living persons (WP:BLP): NA

• c. No original research:  Done

WP:NOR:
Done Check for primary sources (WP:PRIMARY):  Done Check for synthesis (WP:SYN):  Done Check for original images (WP:OI):  Done

3: Broad in its coverage

a. Major aspects:

Done Cross-checked with other FAs: South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season, Hurricane Diane, Hurricane Hattie, Hurricane Carol, Typhoon Rusa, Typhoon Chataan, Hurricane Lenny, Typhoon Gay (1992), 1991 Perfect Storm, 1991 Atlantic hurricane season, Hurricane Charley (1986), Hurricane Gordon (2006), Hurricane Ginger, 1950 Atlantic hurricane season, Typhoon Sudal, Cyclone Gonu, Tropical Storm Marco (1990), Hurricane Bob (1985), Subtropical Storm Andrea (2007), Hurricane Daniel (2006) Check for Article scope as defined by reliable sources: Check for The extent of the subject matter in these RS: Check for Out of scope: Check for The range of material that belongs in the article: Check for All material that is notable is covered: Check for All material that is referenced is covered: Check for All material that a reader would be likely to agree matches the specified scope is covered: Check for The most general scope that summarises essentially all knowledge: Check for Stay on topic and no wandering off-topic (WP:OFFTOPIC):

b. Focused:
Done Check for Readability issues (WP:LENGTH): Check for Article size (WP:TOO LONG!):

4: Neutral

WP:NPOV:

Done 4. Fair representation without bias:  Done Check for POV (WP:YESPOV):  Done Check for naming (WP:POVNAMING):  Done Check for structure (WP:STRUCTURE):  Done Check for Due and undue weight (WP:DUE):  Done Check for Balancing aspects (WP:BALASPS):  Done Check for Giving "equal validity" (WP:VALID):  Done Check for Balance (WP:YESPOV):  Done Check for Impartial tone (WP:IMPARTIAL):  Done Check for Describing aesthetic opinions (WP:SUBJECTIVE):  Done Check for Words to watch (WP:YESPOV):  Done Check for Attributing and specifying biased statements (WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV):  Done Check for Fringe theories and pseudoscience (WP:PSCI): None Check for Religion (WP:RNPOV): None

5: Stable: No edit wars, etc: Yes

6: Images  Done (PD)

Images:

Done 6: Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:  Done Check for copyright tags (WP:TAGS):  Done Check for copyright status:  Done Free Check for non-free content (WP:NFC): None Check for valid fair use rationales (WP:FUR): NA 6: Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:  Done Check for image relevance (WP:IMAGE RELEVANCE):  Done Check for Images for the lead (WP:LEADIMAGE):  Done Check for suitable captions (WP:CAPTION):  Done

As per the above checklist, the issues identified are:

• Fix short paragraph in the Impact and records section.

This article is a very promising GA nominee. I’m glad to see your work here. All the best, --Seabuckthorn ♥ 21:17, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the very thorough GA review! I merged that paragraph. Hope it works now :) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:00, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for writing such fabulous articles. All the very best with the music . I'm not sure how to take your quick response , given the guidelines on your user page. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 22:37, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

OK, everything looks good now. Passing the article to GA status. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 22:37, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Simultaneous category 5s?

According to 8:10 in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63Hy9JvV-0Q they are category 5s at the same time. I propose adding this if additional verification can be found. 32ieww (talk) 17:09, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

How notable is it that Ivan and Joan were Cat 5's at the same time, on the SSHWS and Aus scales which are both unofficial scales for the basin.Jason Rees (talk) 17:19, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

More relevant to the season page, and even then, SSHS is not officially used in the basin. I'm sure this verifiable though. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 20:46, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

JTWC's Best track can be used as a source, and it is a rare event. I only remember 3 instances of 2 simultaneous SSHWS Category 5 cyclones. ABC paulista (talk) 01:37, 16 January 2018 (UTC)