Talk:Villa Regina

This article is written in American English, and some terms used in it are different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. AmericanLemming (talk) 17:26, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Villa Regina/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: QatarStarsLeague (talk · contribs) 21:14, 7 July 2013 (UTC) Review coming soon... QatarStarsLeague (talk) 21:14, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Conclusion

I grappled this decision for a while, but I have come to the conclusion that this article does not meet GA criteria, and is too distant from the standard to be placed on hold. The main issue is prose, the text reads with viscosity, as there are numerous sentence fragments, incongruent phrases, and improperly-denoted quotes. Also there is much topical parlance, for example you mention Colonel Manuel José Olascoaga without mentioning in what capacity he wrote of Villa Regina. Another issue is copyrights. Many images are of free usage in Argentina, but no specificity as to whether the image is in the public domain in other nations. There are a few unsourced statements in the article as well. I can tell you are very passionate about this subject, and so failing this article is just as disappointing for me as it is for you. I have included a GA criterion table to serve as a lodestar for improvement. I anticipate a second nomination after these issues are allayed. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 02:00, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Suggestions for improvement

This article recently had an unsuccessful GAN. As the copy-editor of the article, I did not manage to finish addressing the reviewer's main concern, which was with the article's prose, until yesterday, when I finished the copy-edit. However, there are some specific issues I noticed as I copy-edited the article, and I believe that listing them here in detail would go a long way toward helping the nominator bring the article up to GA status.

Lead: nothing here

History: as by the far longest section of the article, most of the issues I found were in this section

• The only general remark I have with this section is the name of the second engineer mentioned: Is it Bonoli or Bonolli? The article seems to switch between them.

Corrected.--GDuwenTell me! 22:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Campo Zorilla:

• The quotation from Olascoaga needs a citation.

Done.--GDuwenTell me! 22:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Colonia Regina de Alvear:

• "The Bank of Rome gave the settlement" I reworded this sentence to make it mean what I think it means, but I very well could be incorrect.

You got it right.--GDuwenTell me! 22:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

• Did Octavio or Mussolini have influence with the General Commissariat of Emigration?

Clarified.--GDuwenTell me! 22:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

• What is the General Commissariat of Emigration/How did having influence with the General Commissariat of Emigration help Bonoli get the loan?
• Do any of the banks have English translations of their names?
• "Poles and Czechoslovaks" This is another sentence I reworded to make it mean what I think it means, but again I could be incorrect.

You got it right again.--GDuwenTell me! 22:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

• Where did the path start and end?
• What were the projected developments?
• "including the addition of 1,200 new hectares that belonged to the former Zorrilla estancia" Should it be "belonged" or "had belonged"? Didn't Bonoli buy all 5,000 hectares in 1923?

Becoming a municipality:

• "On December 1930" I changed this to "in December 1930," as that is the correct preposition to use with a month. However, the "on" would be correct if you meant a specific date, like "on December 15, 1930."
• "By 1939, the development of the four zones was completed" Was the government-directed development committee dissolved in 1939? It would make sense if the development was finished at that time...

• "The town remained distant" This entire paragraph needs a lot of work to make it understandable to the reader who doesn't already know a lot about Villa Regina in the 1930s and '40s
• "The town remained distant from national politics" What exactly were these national politics? What was going on politically in Argentina at the time?
• "Rio Negro National Territory became a province" When did it become a province? According the Wikipedia page on Río Negro Province, it became a province in 1957. If that's true, then I'm confused as to why that would increase the political awareness of the inhabitants of Villa Regina in the 1930s.
• Were the Democráticos the majority or just a major group? Did they believe in democracy and neutrality during World War II?
• Is the "Valley area" the Río Negro Valley or the Upper Río Negro Valley? I'm not quite sure what you mean here...
  • I clarified this point. We meant Upper Río Negro Valley.--Gunt50 (talk) 15:57, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
• Did the Patagonic Youth start in the "Valley area" or in Villa Regina?
  • I rephrased it a bit. It now says: In 1937, an independent neo-fascist organization whose influence covered the Upper Río Negro valley area, called the Patagonic Nationalist Youth (Spanish: Juventud Nacionalista Patagónica) appeared in Villa Regina. I hope it's clearer now.--Gunt50 (talk) 15:57, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
• "The organization aimed to ... Argentine nationalism" I assume you meant to say that the organization aimed to support Argentine nationalism?
  • Looks like somebody clarified the misunderstanding. I assume it was you. I guess, this point is solved.--Gunt50 (talk) 15:57, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
• You'll notice that I attempted to explain the reason for Argentine hostility toward the UK. If it's not correct, feel free to change it.

Recent years:

• Was Antonio Pirri also the first fire chief of Villa Regina?
  • Nope. He was a member of the first families that settled the area. He was one of the men who founded the volunteer fire department, and additionally contributed to it. I guess the department was named after him because of his involvement. Is there something important that should be mentioned on the article?--Gunt50 (talk) 18:34, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
    • I added that he wasn't the first fire chief to make that clear. AmericanLemming (talk) 02:58, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
• I understand that there was a National Comahue Fair in 1964; was the second one in 2004? That is, were there no National Comahue Fairs between 1964 and 2004?
• "The fair was organized by Bartolo Pasin and Rogelio Chimenti" Who were they?

Geography:

• "The town extends" I'm afraid that I find this sentence very confusing; please reword.
  • I rephrased it a bit. You might want to take a look at it now.--Gunt50 (talk) 13:11, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
    • Since the article says "the region's landscape is characterized by rocky Patagonian plateaus", it might be better to say "a plateau to the north...which runs across a plateau to the south." Otherwise, you make it sound like there's lots and lots of plateaus and then back off and say there's only two. AmericanLemming (talk) 06:14, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
      • I edited the sentence again. You might want to take a look at it, since I'm not sure it's gramatically correct.--Gunt50 (talk) 18:19, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
        • The grammar looked to be alright, but I reworded it to say that the Río Negro Valley is between the two plateaus. I'm not sure if that's right, but if there isn't a valley between the northern plateau and the southern plateau, what is there? AmericanLemming (talk) 02:51, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Economy:

• What do the canning and bottling plants produce? Canned apples and canned pears for the canning plants and apple juice for the bottling plants?

Education:

• This is the second time that Comahue has come up in the article. Is it a region? Is it another name for the Río Negro valley? Where is it?}
  • Comahue is a sub-region that covers the northern Patagonia, inncluding a part of La Pampa province (The Río Negro doesn't flow through it). Río Negro valley which is divided into 3 parts (upper valley, medium valley and lower valley), referrers to the course of the Río Negro (which only flows through the Río Negro province)--Gunt50 (talk) 13:11, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
• Is the campus in Villa Regina part of two universities, the National University of Comahue and the National University of Río Negro?
  • They're actually two different institutions with campuses of their own.--Gunt50 (talk) 13:11, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
• Is the campus focused on "careers related to business management, technology and engineering," or is that the focus of the National University of Río Negro? Or is the Villa Regina campus still focused on "food sciences and technologies"?
• What is the "Eastern Upper Valley II zone"?
  • It is one of the province's administrative divisions for education.--Gunt50 (talk) 13:11, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
• "it educates teachers of the area between the municipalities of Maniqué and Chelforó" Is it a teacher's college, or is it a place for continuing education for people who are already teachers?
  • It's a teachers' college.--Gunt50 (talk) 13:13, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
• "between the municipalities of Maniqué and Chelforó" This doesn't mean a whole lot to me; is there any way to be more specific/clear as to where this area actually is?

Again, these are merely suggestions for improving the article. Not fixing them doesn't necessarily mean that the article is doomed to fail its second GAN, and fixing them doesn't guarantee that it will pass. I've never reviewed a GAN myself, so I really can't say whether any given article should pass or not.

That being said, I will watch both the article and the talk page to assist the nominator in fixing these issues/making other improvements to the article. AmericanLemming (talk) 17:16, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

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