Talk:Whiskeyhill Singers

So? Any comments so far? K. Kellogg-Smith 12:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC) (aka Ken K. "Ramsdell" Smith)[reply]

Looking good. Might need some formatting. Good NPOV for the most part. I think you should use Bob Shane instead of Schoen as that is the name he is known by - less confusing. Airproofing (talk) 03:04, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I made and am making a few edits. I can't figure out where your references and footnotes align though. It does seem a long article for a group that lasted six months and had little if any impact. I know it's the Dave Guard connection, but funny how those things go.Airproofing (talk) 16:27, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Dave Guard & Bob Shane[edit]

I first went to a Kingston Trio concert on January 19,1959 in Logan UT. Following the concert the Trio were signing autographs. I was priviledged to have Guard, Shane, and Reynolds all sign the reverse side of my one page program.

Following a concert at Abravanel Hall in Salt Lake City in 1992, I went backstage to show the 1959 program to Shane and Reynolds. They couldn't believe it and Shane, smiling, commented for all in the dressing room to hear, "If Dave could only see this!"

In 1998 I gave the 1959 program to Shane when the Trio again performed in Salt Lake City.

I know when Guard left the Trio it wasn't on the best of terms, but time heals wounds. 72mustangman (talk) 22:43, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edits 12/10/10[edit]

There is much valuable and specific information here, but little of it is directly sourced. It seems much of this is WP:OR, especially the sections on international musical influences on DG. These are marvelous insights, but they seem to be based on personal knowledge rather than on RS, and that unfortunately is a no-no on Wikipedia. I am not touching them, but a more aggressive editor from WP:BIO might well do so.

The biggest change that I have made is clearly the spelling of Bob Shane's name. He abandoned the birth spelling with a legal name change in 1959 as the Kingston Trio's popularity soared. While his relatives in Hawai'i are still named Schoën, his children and grandchildren are named Shane. He has not used the former spelling for more than 51 years.

Other issues: 1) Mitch Miller and his group had a minor hit with a cover of "Tzena! Tzena!," which was a #2 national record hit for the Weavers in 1950, the actual acknowledged influence on Guard and Shane. 2) Guard and Shane may have used Martin ukes, but Shane is adamant and on record frequently that his introduction to Martin guitars came from Josh White in 1956 while Shane was the opening act for White. This is after college. 3) Guard has also acknowledged in print (in the 1986 Kingston Trio On Record) that he learned to play guitar only after a series of informal lessons from Shane and that their normal performance m.o. on the beach while in h.s. was Shane playing with both of them singing. 3) No mention is made of the real reason for the existence of this group. Again in KTOR - Guard acknowledges that he wanted a complete divorce from the Trio-esque style of music but that he owed Capitol records (which had signed him, Shane, and Reynolds to individual contracts as well as the group contract) two more albums. The WHS album was one; its commercial failure prompted Capitol to release Guard from the obligation for the second, and Guard promptly moved to Australia with the Dave's Place show and so on. 4) The section "Early On" is rather more relevant to the article on Dave Guard than it is to WHS.

Like I said above, I think this article needs to be pared down tremendously. The group is just not that noteworthy to have all the repeating of the background history, etc. that is in other articles. Airproofing (talk) 15:43, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Right, Bruce. Some of the material here would be valuable (though unsourced) in the DG article. Today - I reverted information that was just wrong. The KT partners were Guard, Shane, and Reynolds, each with 24 1/2% interest and manager Frank Werber with 26 1/2%. Wheat was a salaried employee of the KT Inc, as was John Stewart later, and neither had any share in the corporation. The three remaining partners bought out Guard's interest for $300,000 total, paid out over 3 years between 1961 and 1964. Guard was completely out of the financial picture of the group at that time. Shane needed and got permission for the NKT name from remaining partners Werber and Reynolds, from whom Shane eventually bought the rights to the KT name in 1976, for both cash and for Shane's relinquishment of any interest in the corporation, including song copyrights and album rights. This information appears, sourced largely from The Kingston Trio On Record, in the main article on The Kingston Trio. Sensei48 (talk) 22:57, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]