Talk:Xeelee Sequence species

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How do Xeelee look like?[edit]

Haven't read the books(only 'Coalescent' in which Xeelee aren't even mentioned) I got one basic question: how do the Xeelee look like? I know that they are so advanced that they probably can take any form they want or don't need physical bodies at all,but there had to be time when they were biological beings like any other. After all humans have been at war with them for some unbelievably long time so they had to find something that would give a clue about Xeelee's original form and evolution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.150.48.89 (talk) 23:10, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's an author's trick called "not describing things that will probably be horribly wrong".

The Xeelee arose in the early universe, before the quark-plasma had even cooled into atoms. They existed as "chemistry" of space-time defects. There is no analog on Earth. The best way to think of the Xeelee? Look at their nightfighters. That's as close as you'll get.

203.122.221.216 (talk) 17:05, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To the last person to comment: Sorry buddy, but the xeelee did not arise from the early universe. They evolved on a planet somewhere, like everyone else. What the xeelee did, right before slipping into the Ring, is send back though time life and technology arks (controlled by anti-xeelee) meant to appear seconds after the universe became transparent, circa +100,000: one second everything is white light, radiation fills everything, the other there's enough room for emptiness (like today's universe is mostly empty space), and THAT's when the arks appear. That's the one way the xeelee found to make sure they would be able to finish the creation of the Ring...to start as soon as possible, barely a hundred thousand years after the big bang. Anti-xeelees are basically AIs, and the hero in one of the stories becomes a baryonic lord, along with the remaining quax, by being changed (or created outright, can't recall) by an anti-xeelee before it departed for its backward voyage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.210.234.29 (talk) 05:43, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, the novel Exultant describes the Xeelee heritage explicitly. Their progenitors, called the proto-Xeelee, are one of the few survivors of the last phase change where the universe had cooled enough for atoms to become stable. The proto-Xeelee established symbiotic relation ships with some of the other survivors of the earlier eras and the new structures in the baryonic matter. Thus, what humans eventually called the Xeelee originated when the universe was round 400,000 years old but have a lineage that stretches back to within minutes of the big bang. The Sugar Lumps they later developed and described in short stories such as Vaccum Diagrams are indeed traveling backwards in time so that they can engineer their own evolution and have the longest possible time to fight the Photino Birds, but they didn't go any further back than the last phase change since anything they did then would be lost as the particle condensed out of the quagma broth.71.203.151.105 (talk) 13:00, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"despite being nearly as advanced as the xeelee"[edit]

After reading this article on the xeelee i felt the need to add a small note to it. the humans waged war for many thousands of years and they did become the second most powerful race in the known universe. however, they never came anywhere remotely close to the level of the xeelee. the xeelee were so unimaginably huge and advanced that despite the humans being as powerful as they were (conquering all other races) and waging war on them for hundreds of thousands of years, the xeelee never really even saw them as an enemy. they viewed them in a way that we humans would probably view a persistent group of gnats buzzing around our heads. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xeeleewarrior (talk • contribs) 20:25, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the Silver Ghosts[edit]

I added to/rewrote the section on the Ghosts based on information from Resplendent, which detailed the war with the Ghosts and Man.

203.122.221.216 (talk) 17:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

to the person above who said the xeelee evolved on a planet.[edit]

Have you read exultant? I havent read it since it came out but I am pretty sure in that book Baxter explained that the xeelee did in fact come from an earlier Phase State of the universe. During the first second after the big bang they lived an entire existance before eventually re-engineering themselves for the new phase state of the universe. it's been a while since I have read the book but I think it went something like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.178.122 (talk) 03:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge?[edit]

Should this article be merged to Xeelee Sequence? RJFJR (talk) 16:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]