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Fragment!!![edit]

No discussion on the nature of the 12 gods, their place in Mayan art, etc, etc, etc. Mayan culture is over 2000 years old; to have the second point be about something that happened 10 years ago is a little silly. Also, except for the bit about the rock band, the whole article is unsourced. Oops.

-adam


I agree, I'm not sure exactly how the rest of the lords are reffered to as 'gods' and than in Mayan mythology they are refered to as demons, so which is it? It either one or the other. They are either feared and avoided and repelled or worshipped, revered, and often honored. Also, the word "Xibalbians" used to describe residents of Xibalba does not sound very Mayan like does it?

The band part has to go because it has nothing to do with the Xiblaba mythology, and should have it's own article.

Xuchilbara 18:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid that despite the reference to D. Tedlock, much of the material here seems to be drawn from the term Xibalba being recycled as a setting for some computer RPG, and as such is not genuinely related to actual Maya accounts. Definitely needs a fair amount of work to separate out/remove the modern fictional/recreational interpretations.--cjllw | TALK 00:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure where the notion that this was drawn from computer games or some fictional source - it wasn't that hard to come up with multiple scholarly sources to back this article up. Anyway, here you go. Arkyan • (talk) 15:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Deletion[edit]

I object because this article has alot to do w/ Mayan religion, the story of Popol Vuh for example. Its very important, when i get more time I'll update it w/ poper citations. Xuchilbara 01:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Seems Article is Plagiarized[edit]

It seems this article is plagiarized directly from http://www.river-styx.net/maya.htm Medlat 22:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

The plagiarism is entirely the other way around, and it seems evident that the river-styx website has taken the text, and in some cases the images, from wikipedia articles - the page you link to, and a number of other pages at that site are mostly (unattributed) verbatim copies of the wikipedia-article equivalents at some point in time. For example, their page on "Mictlan of the Aztec" pieces together text from several en.wiki articles (as well as material from other sources, it seems). The section on that page on Mictlantecuhtli reproduces the text largely as it was after this expansion, and also reproduces a photo added by the same contributor- again without any attribution. If you check the edit histories of the articles concerned it's plain they've been built up over time, and not via a text dump which would be indicative of copyvio problems. And where there have been wiki edits that did add substantial slabs of text, I'd be satisfied that those additions are bona fide ones, not reproductions.
'Plagiarism' may be too strong a word, it's likely that that website's author is just unaware of the obligations to reproduce wiki material under GFDL; I'll look to add the site to WP:FORKS for investigation and a reminder re how wikipedia content forking still needs to satisfy certain license criteria.--cjllw ʘ TALK 02:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Metnal[edit]

the page Metnal only says:

Metnal is the 16th-century Yucatec name of the Underworld, called Xibalba in the Guatemalan highlands.

maybe that Xibalba is aka Metnal can be added/merged here and redirected... only that it's separate in es:Metnalfr:Metnallt:Mitnalas

Skullers (talk) 06:59, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Although there's some case to be made for merging the two, I think there's a stronger case to keep them separate. While there are a few commonalities there are equally significant differences between Yucatec and highland Maya cultures and beliefs, both in precolumbian & preconquest times. Xibalba and Metnal may both describe a mythological underworld, but their characteristics and stories are not quite the same thing. "Maya" as a unifying term is one more of convenience, it doesn't mean that all Maya peoples everywhere believed exactly the same things and told the same stories. There are related similarities of course, but there would be a number of statements that may be said about the accounts of Xibalba that would not necessarily be true of the accounts of Metnal, and vice versa.--cjllw ʘ TALK 04:04, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation[edit]

The IPA pronunciation guide in the article is written in English RP, and even links to the "IPA for English" page. Considering this is about Ancient Mexican mythology, shouldn't the IPA guide be in Nahuatl instead? While I'm not very good with IPA or this region of history, I would pronounce it as /χibaɬba/. Although I'm not sure that is completely correct, it is probably more accurate than the current IPA guide. --ConCass (talk) 18:22, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I've switched it to Mayan IPA, and corrected the pronunciation. All the best, Simon Burchell (talk) 09:34, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

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Ref[edit]

Can someone explain why my edit reversed at [1] and [2]. And finally I had to put a fact template there.AlleinStein (talk) 21:36, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Because it does not pass WP:FRINGE as a reliable source, see the publisher Hampton Roads Publishing Company. Heiro 21:48, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
The book, from the blurb, seems to be about Atlantis, hardly relevant here. As mentioned by Heironymous Rowe, it is self-published. Critically, it was published in 2014 - by which time the sentence about Cobán was already in the Wikipedia article (2013 version of article) - so the mention in the book may well have been pulled out of this article in the first place, leading to circular referencing. As a note, I have a largish book collection about Guatemala/Mesoamerica, and don't recall having come across a mention of this, although Bartolomé de las Casas may well have mentioned it in one of his works. Simon Burchell (talk) 22:00, 7 January 2018 (UTC)