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This article has previously been nominated to be moved.

Discussions:

Moved, 3 December 2010, from Zürich to Zurich, see discussion.
Moved, 16 August 2013, from Zurich to Zürich, see discussion.
Endorsed, 24 August 2013, from MRV, Zurich to Zürich, see discussion.
No consensus, 3 September 2013, from Zürich to Zurich, see discussion.
No consensus, 30 November 2021, from Zürich to Zurich, see discussion.

Name[edit]

In the Name section of the article, we currently read, "In English, the name used to be written as Zurich, without the umlaut. Even so, standard English practice for German names is to either preserve the umlaut or replace it with the base letter followed by e (i.e. Zuerich)." This assertion is incorrect on two counts:
1. The default English spelling of the city is still Zurich with no umlaut, as evidenced by Google's counting: Zürich shows 135,000,000 results, while Zurich shows 488,000,000 results.
2. Standard English practice for German names is NOT "to either preserve the umlaut or replace it with the base letter followed by e". Dusseldorf is the normal English version of Düsseldorf, just as Zurich is normal English for Zürich. --Michael Bateman (talk) 21:05, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree with you. Zurich is clearly still predominantly spelled "Zurich" in English. I'd love to have a re-vote on moving this article (and all the rest with Zurich in the name) back to "Zurich". What do you think? — tooki (talk) 17:04, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, Swiss people spell it "Zürich" and pronounce it [ˈtsyːrɪç] if they're speaking German, but the spell it "Zurich" and pronounce it [zyʁik] if they're speaking French. No one would argue that "Zürich" is the proper spelling the French, "Zurich" is just the French language name. "Zurich" in English is loaned from French and the English pronunciation /ˈzjʊərɪk/ is an approximation of the French pronunciation, with a velar plosive at the end. Arguing that be should use the German spelling makes no sense unless you're also arguing that we should use the German pronunciation. Queewe (talk) 16:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As a native speaker of English and a second-language speaker of German, I completely agree with Michael Bateman and tooki. Check any English-language news source and you will find "Zurich", not "Zürich". This issue needs a re-vote. SRamzy (talk) 15:38, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am also sceptical of the claim that Daniel Jones (1997) says that the name is more recently pronounced with initial "ts", as in German. More likely, this last clause was inserted and misrepresents what Jones says. The only pronunciation I have heard IN ENGLISH is /zurɪk/. However, it´s likely that RP speakers would use initial /zj/. SRamzy (talk) 17:23, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm tempted to open a move request, which I will do unless there is a discussion about the name --Spekkios (talk) 20:36, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Before you do. Spekkios, please read through all of the move discussions linked in the header right above this section, and browse through the archives for other discussions not linked. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 21:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely should be moved, and yes, I've read the arguments. In English Wikipedia, the native "Roma" is listed as "Rome", "München" listed as "Munich", so why make an exception here? "Zurich" is absolutely the predominant spelling in the English language. Ebab (talk) 12:06, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just nodding towards the lengthy discussion from a few years ago you'll find below this post. People have talked their mouths raw about this, and it really doesn't matter one way or the other. Trigaranus (talk) 20:10, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Except for Wikipedia, I never see it spelled any way except Zurich. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:16, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive editing by ORT5000 and Mission Q8[edit]

Two users, ORT5000 and Mission Q8, are edit warring to push a highly dubious claim based on an obviously unsuitable source. Despite several users having pointed out that the source fails WP:RS and the claim is unsupported, the users keep pushing it. I've warned both users, and will report any further policy violation by either of them. Jeppiz (talk) 10:25, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've reported them both (obviously the same editor) at ANI. Seasider53 (talk) 10:26, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And both are now blocked as socks. 86.177.26.80 (talk) 17:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]