Template talk:Country data Republic of Ireland

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Template-protected edit request on 12 January 2019

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Remove:
flag alias-1937 = Flag of Ireland (WFB 2000).png
flag alias-2004 = Flag of Ireland (WFB 2004).gif
var2 = 1937
var3 = 2004
These lines will remove flags are just based on the shades used in pictures in different editions of the CIA World Factbook (you can see if you open the flag image) and not are official or even real changes to the flag used by Ireland, they should not be included and especially not linked to a specific year It will not produce errors from missing flags by pages that use this, as none do
Havsjö (talk) 09:44, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done Ditto to request at Template talk:Country data Ireland#Template-protected edit request on 7 January 2019. Cabayi (talk) 10:24, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

Please add | name alias-netball = Republic of Ireland and | link alias-netball = Republic of Ireland national netball team. The article is called "Republic of Ireland national netball team", but {{nb}} links to "Ireland national netball team" ( Republic of Ireland). International Netball Federation and Netball Europe uses the name "Republic of Ireland"[1][2] DenSportgladeSkåningen (talk) 18:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

DenSportgladeSkåningen,

Done S.A. Julio (talk) 22:06, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 2

Please add | name alias-beachsoccer = Republic of Ireland and | link alias-beachsoccer = Republic of Ireland national beach soccer team, and | name alias-futsal = Republic of Ireland and | link alias-futsal = Republic of Ireland national futsal team. Articles for both beach soccer and futsal begin with "Republic of Ireland", and that's the name FIFA uses, just like for football. However, I'm not sure if it should be "beachsoccer" or "beach soccer" before "=". DenSportgladeSkåningen (talk) 14:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Revert

To editor Spike 'em: why the reverts? The national flags are the same for "Ireland" and for the "Republic of Ireland". It's an unnecessary duplication that is served even better by redirecting, isn't it? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 10:12, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, this template is for the sovereign nation, the other is for all Island organisations. I've added a talk page discussion there to remove direct mention of the Republic to prevent confusion.Spike 'em (talk) 10:16, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect also broke a load of sporting team templates, which is why I did it. Spike 'em (talk) 10:17, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

though going on numbers the other one is more widely used... There is probably some tidying up/ rationalisation to be done, but needs to be carefully done. Spike 'em (talk) 10:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've restored the /doc page and removed the Talk page of redirect template from this page for now, as well. Guess we'll see how it turns out. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 10:35, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Curious though as to why, if CD Ireland and CD Republic of Ireland are so different, then why the exact same national flag for both of them??? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 11:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was a bit hasty in my assessment, as I was just looking at the sports team usage. It remains the case that there are some different uses of the 2 templates which just redirecting will cause problems for (e.g. the difference between

Republic of Ireland and

Ireland). More discussion/planning is needed before any changes are made. Spike 'em (talk) 12:56, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Spike 'em: I was hasty too, because if I had added the link aliases for the sports to the CD Ireland template, then the transition would have been seamless and unnoticed. I think that's all we need to do. What do you think? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 13:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so, there are already sports teams linking to that template. If you have a look on the CD Ireland template documentation it says that Other information : This template is intended to be used for all-Ireland instances, usually resulting in a wikilink to Ireland (article about the island) instead of Republic of Ireland (article about the sovereign nation). However, it is often convenient to use {{flagicon|Ireland}} and {{flag|Ireland}} instead of {{flagicon|Republic of Ireland}} and {{flag|Republic of Ireland}} respectively, so this template differs from the standard format in order to accommodate that usage So it seems quite deliberate that they are separate templates. Spike 'em (talk) 16:50, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And so {{fb|IRL}}/{{fb|Republic of Ireland}}:

Republic of Ireland need to differ from {{fb|IRE}}/{{fb|Ireland}}:

Ireland. Spike 'em (talk) 17:02, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, good bit of research on your part! I think all that might be needed are carefully scripted {{Distinguish}} hatnotes to clarify the important differences and to ensure that other editors won't get trapped in another edit → revert sequence like we did. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 01:42, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Spike 'em: please help me with the sandboxes for Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. This will require a small change to the main /doc page and new "hatnote" parameters for the two country data pages. If this seems okay to you, then let me know, if not, then feel free to let me know how to improve them. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 11:01, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To keep things in one place: I've reverted change to Template:Country data Ireland, as it gave inconsistent flag / country links. If it does show the RoI flag, then any links should be to that article, rather than the "whole island" one. Spike 'em (talk) 09:55, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Spike 'em: "things" are actually in two places, the RoI link is used both in this template and in the Country data RoI template. So there is no link to Ireland here, all the links are to the Republic of Ireland in both this template and in the Country data RoI template. It seems if anything this template should have the link to Ireland first, and then perhaps a variant link to the RoI article. Seems very odd that the Republic of Ireland, which has its own Country data template, would be linked also in this template first over Ireland. Don't understand that. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 11:15, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I get confused whenever I look at it, as it is different to how I thought I remembered it each time! However, it does seem deliberate that in plain usage that {{flag|Ireland}} should show both the flag of the Republic and link to it (as a shortcut to using the full {{flag|Republic of Ireland}}. Only if a varient is used should it link to the Island. One thing I'm not sure on is the use of the TLAs of IRE and EIR. I think I'm getting confused by the {{fb}} links above, which do show the previous / whole island varients, but used in {{flag}} show the tricolour. The ISO code for the country is IRL, so would need some delving into the detail of why IRE / EIR show what they do. Spike 'em (talk) 11:39, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Spike 'em: well, okay, I get confused too by some of these CD templates, like for example why have both navy and naval? and why are they sometimes the same flag and link aliases and sometimes different? and so on. Ireland is certainly a special case and there may be a lot of overlapping with the RoI, so good luck trying to get it straightened out, and let me know if you need me for anything. Best of everything to you and yours, and Happy Holidays! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 20:06, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]