Template talk:IMDb title/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Fully protected edit request on 1 June 2023

A protected redirect, Template:Imdb title, needs redirect category (rcat) templates added. Please modify it as follows:

• from this:

#REDIRECT [[Template:IMDb title]]

• to this:

#REDIRECT [[Template:IMDb title]]

{{Redirect category shell|
{{R from move}}
{{R from modification}}
}}

• WHEN YOU COPY & PASTE, PLEASE LEAVE THE SKIPPED LINE BLANK FOR READABILITY.

The {{Redirect category shell}} template is used to sort redirects into one or more categories. When {{pp-protected}} and/or {{pp-move}} suffice, the Redirect category shell template will detect the protection level(s) and categorize the redirect automatically. (Also, the categories will be automatically removed or changed when and if protection is lifted, raised or lowered.) Thank you in advance! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 16:41, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:08, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Martin! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 06:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Unknown parameter search

Please change line_hide to link_hide in the unknown parameter search per parameter name, change made in sandbox. Thanks, Indagate (talk) 11:26, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

 Completed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 16:20, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Indagate (talk) 07:17, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

my pleasure! Paine  07:35, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

'Category:Pages using IMDb title with no id set' when qid is used

The template ought to be changed so it doesn't emit Category:Pages using IMDb title with no id set where a parameter |qid= has been used. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Can you give an example of a page this is an issue on? According to the code, if you use |id= or if the wikidata page has P345 (which is what the qid returns), then the page does not appear in the category. This can be an issue if the template is not used on the same page the qid links to, which typically happens when this template is incorrectly used as a reference. Gonnym (talk) 11:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

La traviata, where its film versions are referenced with Template:IMDb title. I'm aware that IMDb cannot be used to cite particulars for films, but I understand that it can be used to assert the existence of a film. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:16, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

IMDb is user generated so it's value is almost nothing as a source. If you can't find any other source to a film existence, then I don't think it should be even added it to an article. Additionaly, that isn't how IMDb is used in that article. A 1967 film version by Mario Lanfranchi features Anna Moffo as Violetta, Franco Bonisolli as Alfredo, Gino Bechi as Giorgio Germont, and the chorus and orchestra of the Teatro dell'Opera di Roma, conducted by Giuseppe Patanè are all information that needs to be actually cited. Gonnym (talk) 12:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

This template should only ever be used in the External links section of an article, never as part of a reference. Indagate (talk) 12:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to take care of La traviata when I get a chance. In the meantime, I came across Don Carlos where a bunch of IMDb links appear in "External links", but the article is still categorized as 'Pages using IMDb title with no id set'. What am I missing? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:17, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

With tracking categories you can either go the conservative method or accept false positives. Catching all incorrect usages of this template as a citation requires accepting some false positives are added. Once the category is actually cleared, this can be modified. Regarding Don Carlos, I wonder if per WP:ELBODY adding a laundry list of adaptations to the EL is correct. That sounds like it should belong to the body of an article under "adaptations" with references. Or, if its deemed WP:TRIVIA, removed. Gonnym (talk) 16:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

So the template code does emit preview warnings and that tracking category even if |qid= is present? E.g. Citizen Kane at IMDb ? If so, that works against the intent of that parameter, as I understand it, and should be stated in the documentation. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

If used on a page that isn't its own page it will be placed in a tracking category. In almost all cases that usage is also incorrect. Gonnym (talk) 09:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

So almost 4000 articles, including several hundred "List of accolades/awards/episodes" are wrong? Also, the description. "This category is for Wikipedia articles using the {{IMDb title}} template without an ID and missing Wikidata property IMDb ID (P345)." – which, coming from Category:Wikipedia errors, brought me here – doesn't quite capture that. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, almost 4000 are wrong. You yourself gave two articles as an example and both were incorrect. That's a 100% rate. Give more examples and we can check them out as well. Gonnym (talk) 12:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)