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What station is this?[edit]

Location questions have been moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation/Unidentified locations.

Big error on NYCSubway[edit]

I found a blatantly obvious incorrect location on NYCSubway.org, which I already addressed to them. There's a 1968 image that claims to be at the 57th Street (IND Sixth Avenue Line) station, but is clearly elevated. I just thought I'd give everybody here the heads up on this, and see if they can identify the real location. BTW, is there any chance this message would've been better suited for the Unidentified Locations talk page? ---------User:DanTD (talk) 14:24, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Assuming it is a station of the West End Line, it might be one of these (and I don't think we have enough data to choose one of them):
Vcohen (talk) 16:22, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Notice the telegraph wires at the top right corner of this photo. Are there any clues to where that is? I have no idea myself. Epic Genius (talk) 02:41, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Those are TV antennas. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 03:09, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, so that can be a clue. Epic Genius (talk) 18:00, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Maps in need of updating[edit]

Chambers Street is no longer a terminal for the J.
But Essex Street has been a terminal for the M for a year now.

File:NYCS map J.svg needs updating. It no longer ends at Chambers Street. File:NYCS map M.svg now also ends at Essex Street. The current official map reflects this. Epic Genius (talk) 19:22, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

I'd love to read that, but my STUPID F%@#!ING COMPUTER took away my ability to load new PDF files!! ---------User:DanTD (talk) 19:43, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Are you able to download Adobe Acrobat? Epic Genius (talk) 20:08, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
I am now. I had to put this POS on System Restore. Let's hope all the other things that I lost the ability to do this weekend have returned. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 21:23, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Sadly, it has no impact on other irrelevant programs. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 21:38, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
My condolences to you for your computer's troubles. I think I should ask WikiProject Maps to fix this. Epic Genius (talk) 01:00, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
I have posted to WT:MAPS now. Epic Genius (talk) 01:05, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
I've taken liberty of updating the M map for you. If you can post this updated map onto the page, it would be appreciated.72.80.198.89 (talk) 13:32, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
@72.80.198.89: The link doesn't seem to work. Could you kindly post it again? Thanks. Epic Genius (talk) 14:25, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

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Metro-North Harlem and Hudson Line templates[edit]

What the hell is up with the line templates for the Harlem Line and Hudson Line? --Somebody seems to have replaced all the icons and broke them to pieces, messing up the infoboxes in the process. My efforts to revert the previous fixes (all of which were AGF) made things even worse! ---------User:DanTD (talk) 20:38, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

  • UPDATE - Looks like I have to include the New Haven Line too. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 20:40, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
    • UPDATE #2 - And now it's the LIRR too. Check out the Port Washington Branch. Maybe we should take this to WPTrains. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 20:45, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
      • An edit to {{BSrow}} by @Jc86035:, which @Alakzi: has now undone, broke the whole layout (made some css visible). Doesn't fix icons though. I see Jc86035 has been active on a bunch of related templates recently, possibly a related change also broke that issue. DMacks (talk) 21:02, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
        • @DMacks: What's wrong with the icons? I'm not seeing it. Alakzi (talk) 21:20, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
          • Hmm, DanTD mentioned something about icons, and I didn't see any icons on Harlem Line despite a major layout mess becoming not-a-mess, so I assumed something was still broken:) @DanTD: is something still broken?. DMacks (talk) 21:27, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
  • By the way, Dan, when you see templates break but no changes having been made to them recently, it helps to check related changes; there's a link on the sidebar. Alakzi (talk) 21:45, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
    • Well, I see you fixed them anyhow, and I was going to send you a thanks message after I informed some other users that you had done so. But now that you're here, I'm going to thank you for them on this board. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 22:01, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Facepalm Sorry about that, guys! Good thing it's fixed now. Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 03:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
    • Apology accepted. As mad as I was about it, I still WP:AGF all along. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 01:38, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

South Ferry loops[edit]

(Posting here in case no one has watchlisted the article talk page.) The South Ferry – Whitehall Street (New York City Subway) article, in § Inner platform and the station layout table, suggests that the inner loop track is still used by terminating NYCS-bull-trans-5.svg trains on weekends, but the article's infobox and Vcohen's diagram in List of New York City Subway terminals § IRT suggest that the inner track is closed. Is the track open or has it been closed? Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 14:36, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for finding my error. I have corrected it here. Vcohen (talk) 16:52, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Comrades, check my edit please. Vcohen (talk) 09:27, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

That seems about right. Thank you for your correction, Vcohen. Epic Genius (talk) 12:42, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Back to identifying cars[edit]

Please tell me I'm right about this car being an R46. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 04:25, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Otherwise I'll have to revert this one.

New Rochelle (Metro-North station)[edit]

The New Rochelle (Metro-North station) has frequently been getting some decent images, but they're often deleted on the grounds of copyright violations. Even if they're all true, somebody has to add free ones that have been similar to those that were deleted. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 04:14, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

A strange page[edit]

Comrades, is this an article or a disambiguation page? We already have articles about both stations. Why are all these descriptions and explanations on the page? Vcohen (talk) 18:59, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

@Vcohen: I tried to tag it as a disambiguation page. ArnoldReinhold disagrees, saying that since the AirTrain LaGuardia is almost definitely going to be built, the explanations of all stations in the area, whether proposed or existing, should be on one page. Right now, it's a stub. Epic Genius (talk) 03:29, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, but the AirTrain LaGuardia has its own article too. What is the entity that requires an additional article? Vcohen (talk) 09:17, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
I had mentioned this isn't how things are done here because subway stations are considered separate from other railroad stations. I should've cited a false effort to merge 34th Street - Penn Station (IRT Broadway - Seventh Avenue Line) and 34th Street - Penn Station (IND Eighth Avenue Line) into Pennsylvania Station (New York City) from a few years ago. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 13:00, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
According to the Andrew Cuomo announcemet of $450M plan to build AirTrain connecting LaGuardia Airport to the subway, the train is going to the Mets – Willets Point subway station from where you could connect to the Mets – Willets Point (LIRR station). This seems very clear to me. No need to merge. Secondarywaltz (talk) 14:36, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Even if the AirTrain was built, mention of the station could be on the respective article for the subway and LIRR stations. The AirTrain station would fail WP:STATION. Epic Genius (talk) 00:46, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Per our guideline WP:Broad-concept article: "A term with many related meanings should be presented as an article on the broadest understanding of the term, rather than as a disambiguation page merely listing variations on that meaning." How are our readers better served with a disambiguation page than with a short article describing the future complex of three stations with links to more detailed articles on each? Also here is a quote from the governor's recent announcement of the Laguardia Airport rebuild: "As part of his 2015 Opportunity Agenda, Governor Cuomo proposed creating an AirTrain option that directly connects LaGuardia to the New York City subway and Long Island Rail Road at Mets-Willets Point Station." [1] Clearly planners at least are envisioning the complex as eventually functioning as a unified station.--agr (talk) 03:37, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

It is indeed a weird case, but the complex could be described with just two articles. For example, in Jamaica (LIRR station) and Sutphin Boulevard – Archer Avenue – JFK Airport (Archer Avenue Lines), in which the former describes the AirTrain JFK's station as well. Epic Genius (talk) 16:53, 2 August 2015 (UTC)