User talk:81.154.171.251

June 2022

Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits to Roxette, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 16:29, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Don't copy copyrighted text onto peoples' user talkpages, please. Acroterion (talk) 16:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

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Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Prefab Sprout discography. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 18:21, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Islands in the Stream (song). This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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(Barry) Islands in the Stream

Michael, what are you going on about?

Carl Smith of The OCC states: "Kate boasts the longest-ever gap between Number 1 singles in Official Chart history. With 44 years between her 1978 chart topper Wuthering Heights and 2022’s Running Up That Hill, she beats Tom Jones’s 42-year gap between Green Green Grass of Home and charity single (Barry) Islands in the Stream. See the full list of longest gaps between Number 1 singles here."...see there it is in the article.

James Masterton says: "Kate Bush has also endured the longest ever gap between No.1 hits, topping the British charts for the first time since her debut single Wuthering Heights hit the top in 1978. The previous record holder was Tom Jones, and if we count matters from the very last chart week when the previous hit was top of the charts and the date of the first week the new hit climbed there then he officially had to wait from January 12th 1967 to March 21st 2009 - 42 years, 2 months and 10 days - to top the charts."

Alan Jones of Music Week says: "Running Up That Hill is Bush’s second No.1, arriving more than 44 years after her first - debut single Wuthering Heights - and almost 37 years after its own original No.3 peak. It’s a record gap between No.1 hits by any artist, surpassing the previous record of 42 years held by Tom Jones."

So if the OCC, Alan Jones of Music Week and James Masterton (ex-Music Week) have all mentioned this 42 year record relating to Tom Jones being on (Barry) Islands in the Stream recently being broken, maybe it is something of importance that should go next to the information about Tom Moore...as its the same kind of thing, except that one is about age and the other is about gaps between #1 hits.

Now James Masterton has got a proper blue link and you haven't, so I think Masterton's facts about the UK charts might be more important than your WP:WHATEVER opinion, as you are basically some random bloke in California...someone who probably doesn't give a damn about the UK Singles chart, play PopMaster or watch BBC Four...even though you may spend your life on here and have some inflated opinion about yourself, you are not Masterton or Jones or Talbot (obviously I do not need to use their first names).

Note: I see that Michael Knowles may refer to:

• Michael Knowles (actor) (born 1937), English actor and scriptwriter
• Michael Knowles (politician) (born 1942), British Conservative Member of Parliament
• Michael Knowles (film director), American film director
• Michael Knowles (film producer), English film producer
• Michael Knowles (rugby league) (born 1987), English rugby player
• Michael J. Knowles (born 1990), American author and conservative political commentator
• David Knowles (scholar) (Michael Clive Knowles, 1896–1974), English monk and scholar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.171.251 (talk) 18:43, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

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Michael, dear Michael, its not a snide personal attack...I just wanted to know why you think you know more about the UK charts than the websites/organisations of Masterton or Jones or Talbot (with Masterton's mentioned by bluelink name in the article for Kate Bush's Running Up That Hill)? You go on about 'Reliable Sources' and so if you were oblivious to the fact...

• Music Week - "Music Week is a trade paper for the UK record industry. It is published by Future. It was founded in 1959".
• Official Charts Company - "The Official Charts Company (previously known as the Chart Information Network (CIN) and The Official UK Charts Company) is a British inter-professional organisation that compiles various "official" record charts in a number of European territories. In the United Kingdom, its charts include ones for singles, albums and films,[3] with the data compiled from a mixture of downloads, purchases (of physical media) and streaming. The OCC produces its charts by gathering and combining sales data from retailers through market researchers Kantar, and claims to cover 99% of the singles market and 95% of the album market, and aims to collect data from any retailer who sells more than 100 chart items per week. The OCC is operated jointly by the British Phonographic Industry and the Entertainment Retailers Association (ERA) (formerly the British Association of Record Dealers (BARD)). CIN took over as compilers of the official UK charts in 1990,and the company has continued in that role, as the OCC, since 1994"

Now I would say they are 'Reliable Sources', and if you don't like them here's some other websites that have mentioned that Kate Bush has squashed Tom Jones record of 42 years between Green Green Grass of Home hitting Number 1 in 1966 and his next chart topper, charity single (Barry) Islands in the Stream, reaching the summit in 2009....

• 1.) Kate Bush reaches UK No 1 with Running Up That Hill after 37 years - Singer breaks multiple records with Stranger Things-revived hit after ‘manual reset’ of streaming ratios by Nadia Khomami Arts and culture correspondent in the Guardian (@nadiakhomami, Fri 17 Jun 2022 18.00 BST)
• 2.) Kate Bush broke 3 records simultaneously when 'Running Up That Hill' reached number 1 by Greg Evens in the Indy100 which does state "Bush now holds the longest gap between number-one singles for one artist with 44 years. Her last number one was 'Wuthering Heights' which topped the charts in 1978. This record surpasses the previous holder Tom Jones who had 42 years between his songs 'Green Green Grass of Home' and charity the single '(Barry) Islands in the Stream.'"
• 3.) The Week in Number Ones: Harry Styles and Kate Bush top the charts by Tyler Golsen from Far Out (@TylerGolsen, THU 23RD JUN 2022 11.30 BST)
• 4.) Kate Bush sets THREE chart records as 'Running Up That Hill' climbs to Number 1 - Incredible news from Planet Radio Again this states: "Firstly, Kate Bush boasts the longest-ever gap between Number 1 singles in Official Chart history as it’s 44 years since she reached the summit with debut single ‘Wuthering Heights.’ The previous record was the 42-year gap between ‘Green Green Grass of Home’ (1966) and charity single ‘(Barry) Islands in the Stream’ (2009) by Tom Jones."

and finally back to the OCC:

• 17 June 2022: Long gaps between Number 1s on the UK's Official Singles Chart - Sometimes, the wait is worth it! By George Griffiths which states...

"Tom Jones: You thought waiting a decade for a Number 1 was long? Try 42 years, three months and 15 days. That’s how long it was between Tom Jones’ Green Green Grass of Home hitting Number 1 in 1966 and his next chart topper, charity single (Barry) Islands in the Stream, reaching the summit in 2009".

...now if you are not seeing that (former) Official Charts record and are not recognising why it should be mentioned at the end of the paragraph before Kate Bush made number one, alongside the fact... "It also made Tom Jones, at the age of 68, the oldest person to have a UK number one song, until the record was taken in 2020 by Captain Tom Moore for his involvement in "You'll Never Walk Alone" at the age of 99". ...then people may have to question the validity of your opinions, and wonder if you are actually bothering to read the sources/articles, if you are just making snap judgements or just being slopping in your work (and if its the latter I hope you are not as sloppy when you are doing your live sound mixing thing, as you might get a reputation, and you don't want that).

Now if you think these are personal attacks on your character then you are wrong, its not like explicitly saying "Jar Jar Binks is a bit of a knob" to Jar Jar Binks (though many Star Wars fans would agree on that statement I believe)...however if you have taken it as a personal attack, then why? I don't know who you are, you are nobody in particular (even if you may some kind of God complex where you think you are someone special as you have edited Wikipedia since July 2007 and started 239 new articles), the only thing that is important is that the information is present and correct. You may like to use some of the points I have brought up as constructive criticism, you may like to continue as you are vandalising people's work, getting rid of the correct facts and threatening people:

For example, in regards to (Barry) Islands In the Stream...I put:

"As Jones' previous number one "Green Green Grass of Home" was at the top on 12 January 1967, this gave Jones a record breaking gap between number ones of 42 years, 2 months and 10 days, until Kate Bush re-entered the chart with her 1985 single "Running Up That Hill" and got to the top in June 2022, breaking Jones' record by two years."

Now you sent me a link to the 'Wikipedia:No original research' page...but it as it didn't contain any Original Research, and I tried to amend it to something a bit better....but again you vandalised the page, by deleting the 'Official Record' and sent me a threat:

" You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Islands in the Stream (song). This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement."

It was one amendment, the record stood from 2006 to 2022 (and remember this is Masterton or Jones or Talbot's company's opinions, not mine because of 1997...and I do hope you know all the UK Chart toppers for 1997, to understand what I am going on about) and it not a 'controversial changes' its a chart fact.

If you had bothered to look at the LOCKED page for the singer Tom Jones it states:

"In February 2009, Jones appeared in an exclusive show with Vincent Moon, performing three songs live in front of a camera in a New York hotel room.[65] In March 2009, Jones went to the top of the UK Music Charts for the third time in his career with a cover of "Islands in the Stream", sung with Ruth Jones, Rob Brydon and Robin Gibb, who co-wrote the original with his brothers Barry and Maurice. The record, which was inspired by the song's having featured in the BBC's hit sitcom Gavin & Stacey, was released in aid of Comic Relief and reached No. 1 in March 2009.[66] This was his first UK chart topper since "Green, Green Grass of Home" in 1967, setting a new record of 42 years between two UK number ones; this record would be surpassed by Kate Bush when "Running Up That Hill" topped the charts in 2022, a 44 year gap between number ones".

Just look at the Last Christmas by Wham page, it says...

"In doing so, it (Last Christmas) became the fifth UK number one single for the duo and surpassed Tony Christie's record for the longest time a single has taken to top the UK Singles Chart after its initial release with "(Is This The Way To) Amarillo?" in March 2005, which had itself taken 33 years 4 months to top the chart (with Peter Kay, though credited, only actually appearing in the video). The record has since been surpassed by Kate Bush with "Running Up That Hill" in June 2022 which took 37 years."...that's a similar chart fact

whilst (Barry) Island has the chart fact...

"It also made Tom Jones, at the age of 68, the oldest person to have a UK number one song, until the record was taken in 2020 by Captain Tom Moore for his involvement in "You'll Never Walk Alone" at the age of 99".

...however you may go on about 'Wikipedia:No original research' and threaten people you you think have used 'original research', but in your snap deletion (you know you could have easily found the OCC page from 17 June 2022 and amended the true statement but I suppose that article doesn't say that Kate Bush has smashed his record a la the Last Christmas paragraph) you have failed to notice that there is no reference for the following at all:

[Barry Islands in the Stream]..."entered at the top of the UK Singles Chart on March 15, 2009. This meant the Gibb Brothers had achieved number one songs in five successive decades, the first songwriters to achieve this feat".

and in regards to the stated chart fact that you have decided to leave in:

"It also made Tom Jones, at the age of 68, the oldest person to have a UK number one song, until the record was taken in 2020 by Captain Tom Moore for his involvement in "You'll Never Walk Alone" at the age of 99".

Now nowhere on that published OCC page by Rob Copsey from 24 April 2020 ('Captain Tom Moore claims victory on the Official Chart with You'll Never Walk Alone, becomes the oldest artist to reach Number 1. The 99-year-old war veteran racks up another incredible victory in his quest to raise money for the NHS'), does it mention Tom Jones or Barry Islands in the Stream. It mentions acts such as Michael Ball, Whigfield, Ozzy Osbourne, Tony Christie and The Crowd, but no Tom Jones. Therefore you could probably class that statement 'original research', and especially as the chart fact I posted was classed as 'original research' and deleted, maybe you should delete that fact to save face and not to look like a hypocrite...again not a personal attack, just a bit of friendly advice. The again you could just amend it to...

"It also made Tom Jones, at the age of 68, the oldest person to have a UK number one song, until the record was taken in 2020 by Captain Tom Moore for his involvement in "You'll Never Walk Alone" at the age of 99". Also when (Barry) Islands in the Stream reached number one, it was 42 years, three months and 15 days, after Jones hit number one with Tom Jones’ Green Green Grass of Home a new record"

It needs to have both chart achievements/facts listed or none at all.

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