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Universal Medicine[edit]

Hello and thank you for your involvement with the Universal Medicine article. It seems now cooler heads are prevailing. I think all the editing has led to a piece that feels disjointed and could do with some reorganization. I have done so as a practice in my Sandbox. What's the correct WP etiquette for having people view this is see if we can get some consensus on it? I haven't removed anything (I hope!) just categorized some of the sections and moved sentences concerning common themes closer together. 79616gr (talk) 01:12, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your work on the article and your deference to WP guidelines. I suggest you post a note on the article talk page with a link to your sandbox. Or you can migrate it to a WP:SUBPAGE and post the link. Thanks again... -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:27, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Ad Orientem, I'll put a link on the talk page 79616gr (talk) 02:20, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Could I ask you to have a look over the article again please when you get a sec? Several changes have been made today, including a link to an external site I think falls on the wrong side of WP:LINKSTOAVOID. You have been a very helpful neutral voice in the past, and your experience would be valued. 79616gr (talk) 20:04, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done: Reverted questionable and likely POV edits. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:21, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. Much appreciated, and hopefully avoids the eruption of another edit war. 79616gr (talk) 01:57, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Thankyou Ad Orientem for your kind welcome and message on my user page.

Whilst I understand there are many wiki guidelines, and I am aware of a lot of them , I am also somewhat jaded by those very rules not being adhered to when it suits. I have had a call for an opinion of a senior editor sitting on the talk page for over a month now, with no acknowledgement. I undertook to carry out an edit that a senior editor suggested and it was immediately taken down and I was berated. It seems very clear to me that the writing of this article, whilst I acknowledge has been enormously cleaned up, is very negative and there is no breathing room whatsoever for allowing for the fact that these people who are written about are actually real human beings who, when you look a bit deeper than just the newspaper articles and the opinions of sceptics websites, have done nothing wrong except to receive negative press. If you care to read their websites and the many testimonials that are available from some of the people who have received treatments and/or attended the workshops , you can see for yourself that the organisation obviously offers a great deal to a lot of people. Whatever your opinion, or my opinion is of the perhaps wild and wacky treatments, it appears they have changed many people’s lives for the better . The negative media stories appear to have been based largely on lies that were initially told by a few people who have undertaken to ruin the reputation of this organization and its leader and have stated this publicly. And bizarrely, or not so bizarrely as scandal and sensationalism sells well these days, no journalist has ever bothered to tell the other side. And well may we both ask why. But that is the fact so we have to work with it. As I felt there was no one really caring if what was written was exactly true, I took it upon myself to follow up some of the so called facts and I found that: 1. Serge Benhayon never said or was quoted as saying that he has an income of $2 million, he said in the initial TV interview and in the article that I cited, that he had a turnover of $2 million – these are two vastly different things. 2. Universal Medicine, given that they have been attacked now for over 2 years (this is very easy to track) would be expected, as any decent company would, to try to have their reputation managed. The very fact that there is an article cited in this section that does not even mention Universal Medicine is a poor show of Wiki rules (it has been suggested by a senior editor previously that this citation not be used) however, if we are to keep that reference in, then for heavans sake lets not try to make this organization look like criminals ! They clearly are not criminals but just doing what any other company would do in the same circumstance. 3. If the cult counseling website link has a place on this article, then so does a link to a website that holds the other side of this story.

My edits told no lies, they used direct quotes from the very same articles as have already been cited, there was no personal analysis as you suggest – if I were to write my personal analysis it would be very different to what I have added. As I understand it, I have broken no Wiki rules. Kindly, tribescent08.Tribscent08 (talk) 03:23, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Tribscent08, again welcome to the project. Your edits clearly removed or drastically altered the clear meaning of article text that was backed by solid sources. We try very hard to keep things NPOV here, but that does not mean objective neutrality. We go where the sources tell us to go. And any sources cited must be reliable and verifiable. Sources that are affiliated or otherwise connected to the subject are generally disallowed when the content can in any way be controversial. And this subject has been VERY controversial as you have no doubt observed from its talk page. If you wish to make any major changes, please do so only after gaining consensus on the talk page. The best way to proceed is to explain in a new thread exactly what you are planning on changing. As for senior editors, I can't answer for what other unnamed editors may, or may not have said. I hope that you will remain with us and perhaps find other topics of interest that you might contribute to. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:35, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Ad Orientem I will use the talk page. Tribscent08 (talk) 03:54, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for showing me some decency[edit]

This has not been an easy week. I've dealt with attacks from coordinated groups off wiki which have tried my patience. You, however, have responded in a humane and decent manner. For that, I can only express my appreciation. Sometimes it is the small things in life that make a big difference. Thank you. This will be my final post on wikipedia for some time. Marcos12 (talk) 19:12, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Please take all of this on board and consider carefully your previous behavior. Civility is something that is taken very seriously here. The project cannot function without it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:19, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

can you do a favour for me[edit]

There should be an image of YMO, but I can't upload it. Could you help me to upload that. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:54, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

I would need to have a source and the image would have to be in the public domain. Also please sign your comments so I know who I am talking to. (use four tildes , the squiggly little lines usually to the left of the #1 on most keyboards. Thanks. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:58, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

I've done! Thanks.

Is youtube a reliable source on wikipedia? (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 14:35, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

No, it's not. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:38, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Also please be sure you own the copyright to that image or have a license to use it. If that is the symbol or trademark of the YMO some for,m of legal release is going to be needed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:08, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Hoping for the best[edit]

I'm not sure what that would necessarily be under the circumstances, but I can more than understand taking some time off. I wish there were reasonable words which could be used in circumstances like these, but I don't know what they might be, other than to say that I hope the situation resolves itself as well as possible, in whatever form that might take. Prayer is not something that is necessarily common to a lot of us here, but I think that those who do such will include you and your family in them. John Carter (talk) 18:04, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I would like to add to that. I had the same situation to get through two years ago, a sad and cold March. It didn't quite pan out for Mum but I have since learned gradually that there is indeed a time for everything. G d bless to you and yours. Irondome (talk) 19:07, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Offering prayers, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

We will miss your calm and well-considered voice of reason, but will be thinking of you with prayers in our hearts for you and all of your family. Bless and be well; take care of yourself. Softlavender (talk) 21:21, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Blessings and kind thoughts to you and your family[edit]

Bless you and your family in your bereavement. I am very sorry to hear that your dad passed away, albeit peacefully. Our thoughts are with you. Softlavender (talk) 23:11, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

  • I don't know you, but nevertheless offer my condolences for your loss. I hope you are feeling better now. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 00:45, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
I saw this while browsing, and just wanted to leave a word of blessing for you and your family. May his memory be eternal! Evensteven (talk) 05:23, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

can you[edit]

can u remove "THE" from "The Young Muslims UK". (talk) 17:49, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry! I'm very sad. I understand how you feel. Everyone has to leave this world. May the Supreme Being give patience to you family. Take care. (talk) 17:54, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Reverted closure[edit]

Hi Ad Orientem. I reverted your closure of a posted ITN/C item here. In almost all circumstances, nominations of posted items are not closed. The nomination section serves as a workspace for the item if circumstances related to the item change, or if the blurb needs to be updated. In some less frequent changes, if consensus changes post-posting, they can be removed. Posted items are generally only closed in cases of very contentious nominations in which further discussion would be entirely unproductive (see Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/April_2015#.5BPosted.5D_161st_Boat_Race for the most recent case of this). The nomination at hand does not appear to be contentious, and so I've reverted your closure. Best, SpencerT♦C 06:31, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. That's fine and I appreciate the note. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:26, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment[edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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From one royalist and medievalist Orthodox to another. Prayers to your father.. Sigehelmus (talk) 00:54, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Sigehelmus, thank you very much. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:01, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Citing sources[edit]

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AfD template removal[edit]

Please would you explain why you removed an AfD template w/editsummary "fixing AfD tag" here? As far as I can see the tag was filled-in & placed correctly. If I'm mistaken on that front, please do say.

The nomination process was awaiting completion and visible in my contribs ([1]). I do appreciate the rationale can be put on the article Talk but, since the request for completion of the final AfD steps is made at WT:AFD (for non-registered editors) it's reasonable to simply put the rationale there like most folks.

I've now seen you've gone and nominated it yourself, after having removed my {{afd1}}, substituting your own nomination statement. That seems a little inappropriate and, well, rude. Otoh if you found my nom statement inadequate in some way, then of course I'm always open to constructive feedback, but I can't see what was wrong with it. – (talk) 06:16, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Apologies if you feel I have stepped on your toes. Removing the incomplete tag and simply creating a new and complete one using Twinkle is generally much easier. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:42, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
PS you might find that registering as a member resolves a lot of these issues. You can nominate articles with a couple of clicks and not have to go onto the talk page at AfD and ask other editors to finish things for you. Just a suggestion... -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:48, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

() Actually the tag wasn't incomplete—yours is identical, it just has a later timestamp (diff). I did feel it came across (at the time) as less collaborative and more like someone else taking the credit so to speak with the non-reg'd editor silently erased from the equation. I don't think it was intentional. And I understand that you like to use familiar tools, though bar adding it to the log I'd setup everything so someone only needed to click the link and copypaste the text & hit Save. But no point dwelling and the AfD's up which is the important thing. P.S. Saw the note you added to the page - thank you. Have a good day. - (talk) 06:16, 12 May 2015 (UTC)


What's the reason for the exclamation mark in !votes? Just curious. Sca (talk) 14:19, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

LOL! Honestly I don't have a clue. But it has been the convention on here for as long as I can remember. I just went with the flow. If you find out the reason, do drop me a line. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:27, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
It's a small point (!), but I find it confusing – like, am I supposed to be looking for other votes with exclamation marks? Oh well. Sca (talk) 14:46, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 27 May 2015[edit]


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Thank you for your many common sense edits to the USS PC-552 article, making the previous well-intentioned but malformed work more worthy of its subject. For improving the page, I award you with appropriate partial credit (shared with User:Dual Freq) and this very equally shared barnstar. BusterD (talk) 22:21, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
BusterD, thank you very much. :-) -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:28, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Well deserved. Both you and Dual Freq have handled this exceptionally well. Let's hope your good work can bring back a potential contributor. BusterD (talk) 00:53, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Well cheese and effing crackers[edit]

When it gets to the point where you can't even read the "discussion" due to the color formatting, something has to be done. Of course I'll probably be reverted... μηδείς (talk) 03:13, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Maybe. ANI is such a nut house you never know. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:20, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 24 June 2015[edit]

ITN closure[edit]

I wanted to know more about why you closed my nomination for 2015 Clinton Correctional Facility escape at ITNC. Is it because you think stories from the US must meet a higher standard of "significance" to be posted there? Everymorning talk 22:29, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the note. The story in question is a sensationalized but ultimately fairly run of the mill crime story. People escape from prisons in other countries now and then and it gets some headlines, occasionally national, but there is nothing here that rises above the level of tabloid headlines. There is nothing here with international repercussions. This is at most a regional story that got picked up by the national media and will be front page news for a day or two. It does not meet ITN standards and based on my experience I believe there was less than zero chance the story was going to get posted on ITN. Sorry but there it is. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:21, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

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Policy Advice[edit]

Can you possibly take a look at this edit please? It may be in violation of WP: PRIVACY. 79616gr (talk) 03:40, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. 79616gr (talk) 04:05, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
NP... -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:07, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 01 July 2015[edit]

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