User talk:Bamajr
March 2013[edit]
Hello, I'm Trivialist. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Web presence because it appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. Trivialist (talk) 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Hmm... I'm not much of an expert on how to use the Talk Page, but I think you should actually read the content I put in and where it points to, before you go in and discount it as promotional or advertising (as it is not). Web presence has been used as a term, very differently, than Website and Digital footprint, for longer than Wikipedia has been in operation. I wouldn't necessarily say that I coined the term, but I've been using the term, since about 1996 or 1997. If we were to talk about Wikipedia's "Web Presence" it would be a very different conversation that one about the Wikipedia "Website" or Wikipedia's "Digital Footprint" - So, if Wikipedia wants me to add more information or more sources, fine, but to remove the idea altogether and redirect it to Website or Digital Footprint, is the same as redirecting the topic of the Titanic to the topic Boats. I'm willing to provide more information and more sources, which are not myself, but I would encourage you to leave it as its own topic.
Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. It is considered spamming and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Because Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, additions of links to Wikipedia will not alter search engine rankings. If you continue spamming, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. ElKevbo (talk) 22:58, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Please know a little about something before you comment ElKevbo. You should read my comments above to Trivialist and the links I've posted. I too, take spam very seriously. I would go as far as saying that I hate it. However, as far as I know, I am one of the first users of the term "Web Presence" and have been using it in business practice and consulting, longer than Wikipedia has been in existence. I think this would qualify me as a subject matter expert and one who's ideas and definitions would be helpful to defining "Web Presence" on Wikipedia. I am not using Wikipedia as an Advertising platform and if nofollow tags are used, as you say they are, and the link is not altering any search engine rankings, then why would it benefit me or my website to post a link to my definition, on my website, as I've used it since 1996 or 1997? So, like I replied to Trivialist, I'll be happy to add more content and more citations, but what I have already added, does not detract from the definition of "Web Presence" nor from the viability of Wikipedia - quite the opposite in fact. If I'm one of the first known users of the term and have been using it in business every since, I would think citing my own work, would be considered very, very relevant.
If either of you would like to email me privately about this topic or why I'm working on it, then do so through Wikipedias contact process or through my website contact page (https://bamajr.com/contact/) assuming you don't think that link is spam or advertising as well.
- If you are one of the first people to use the term "web presence," then someone else can find suitable references and add them; otherwise, it appears self-promotional on your part. Trivialist (talk) 12:47, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
- Citing your own work is what we refer to as Original Research WP:OR. Have a look at the 'Primary, secondary and tertiary' section. If you cite your own work, you are citing a primary source and that is inadvisable here. You may think it silly, but if you saw some of the rubbish that gets cited, you might understand why we very greatly prefer our sources to be independent of the subject and not primary. Please also look at WP:COI (conflict of interest) and WP:SPAM about advertising and promotion and be aware that if it looks to us like promotion, it counts as promotion regardless of the intent. Please see WP:NPOV (neutral point of view). Peridon (talk) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of User:Bamajr[edit]
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I'm a little confused as to why my user page was deleted or even set as "Speedy Deletion" as it was a basic info page about me, the user, and all the websites/platforms I'm a part of online. I didn't advertise any product or service and the only links on the page were directly to my own profiles on the mentioned other websites/platforms.
- Please use headings for new threads (== at each end), and sign posts on talk pages with four ~ things. "Take a look at my Portfolio of Companies" and "can provide a feeling of comfort and resolve, when a client chooses me" are both regarded as promotional wording here, and a great long list of places to visit (all yours...) doesn't help. You appeared to be advertising you. Please see my post above, and have a look at other user talk pages to see what we do. My page, for instance, tells about me without any way of knowing who I am off-wiki (but I am not in any of the bands wiki-linked). Anonymity is my choice - others identify without overdoing things... Peridon (talk) 21:22, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. ViridaeDON'T PANIC 00:19, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Bamajr (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Editing my own user page hardly seems like a good reason for blocking my account, especially since the only links on my user page, were links to my works, all over the internet. However, none of the links I listed, actually solicit business, except for, maybe my personal website, though visitors can't directly pay for my services, through my website either. My contribution to the term "web presence" did include a link to my own website, however, it also included a link to another company's website, which wasn't affiliated with me. While I do admit that the article wasn't completed, it was most definitely not self promotion because the only thing I stood to gain was back links, and, as some people have already pointed out, in the previous messages, the links are NOFOLLOW. So, how this was all considered self promotion, I have no idea. Bamajr (talk) 15:07, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Decline reason:
You have managed to pack a remarkable number of misunderstandings and misconceptions into a few sentences. I will try to clear them up. (1) Posting promotional content to any Wikipedia page is unacceptable: user pages are not for some reason exempt. (2) Maybe one day I will suddenly see the light, and understand why so many people who come to Wikipedia for no purpose other than promotion think that the English word "promotion" can only mean promotion that, in your words, directly "solicit[s] business". Your editing has been almost 100% designed to call people's attention to yourself, your business, your web sites, etc. It has, that is to say, been aimed at promoting yourself. (3) I am totally bewildered why you think that saying that links you posted were "links to [your] works, all over the internet" is a defence. On the contrary, that is a large part of the reason why you were blocked: Wikipedia is not a medium for posting links to your works all over the internet, i.e. calling attention to those works, i.e. promoting them. (4) The fact that the self-promotional links you added were "NOFOLLOW" merely means that you were unlikely to get improved search engine ranks by them: it does not mean that the links would not serve the purpose of getting people to click on them and thereby find their way to your stuff. (5) etc etc .... You have said that you work in "marketing", and it shows. Time and time again marketing people come to Wikipedia, post nothing but pure marketing text, get blocked for promotion, and post unblock requests that seem to indicate that they sincerely cannot see that what they are doing is marketing. It seems that anyone who spends all day dealing with promotion becomes desensitised to it, and can't see it when it is right in front of their face. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:07, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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