User talk:Bean23
I've reverted your edits regarding console exclusivity, the reasoning can be found in the link above. The category was never intended, and has never been used for just showing console exclusivity. The editor which claimed that it was to show console exclusivity was either misinformed, or forgot the PC platforms. You'll see that the parent category is Category:Single-platform software, implying only one platform. - hahnchen 19:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- Please see the discussion linked above. You seem to think that by only focusing on pure system exclusivity over console exclusivity, we're limiting the categories use. Absolutely not, I've already mentioned the use of the category, and it has never been intended to show trivial console exclusivity, no matter what the category actually said. But console exclusives are pathetic meaningless marketing talk, no one actually cared about console exclusivity until it cost too much to buy pure system exclusivity. We also have time exclusives now and more marketing claptrap like exclusive content. We ignore all this crap. An exclusive is an exclusive. - hahnchen 21:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- Also check out the Playstation 3-only category and it's discussion page. A Playstation Network Game can also be an PS3 only game. An XBox Live Arcade game can also be XBox360 only game. PSN and XBLA are only a means of distribution/publishing.--Stef Nighthawk 19:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- Wikipedia should not be a means of enforcing marketing speak from video-game companies. An 360-Exclusive game should only be classified as such IF it is not available anywhere else, including on the PC. Whether the PC is considered in the same class of hardware as a video game console is irrelevant - if a software title is available on both, it is not exclusive to the console. Making a distinction between "console exclusivity" and "platform exclusivity" is buying into marketing hype, and it's technically incorrect. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- I wanted to improve this category as a resource material. Unfortunately, I don't have the technical expertise yet to reform the category to have a separate list of exclusives that include PC exclusives. Many people when looking to compare exclusives between the consoles are interested in seeing these titles that are also on the PC. One of the advantages of developing for the Xbox 360 is that it is fairly easy to port games between the PC and the Xbox 360. In fact, the development environment is performed on the PC. That is why there are a ton of games that are console exclusives but not platform exclusives. The changes were made with the definition that has been in place for all of the -only categories until they were changed to support Hahnchen's agenda of not making these categories about console exclusivity, so my changes were actually correct when originally made. Please see the definition of video game consoles. The name of the category Xbox 360-only is incorrect though. Would it be possible to get the help of expert editors to create a new category named Xbox 360 console exclusive? I would also like to edit it so that people can simply search Xbox 360 exclusives to find this information. I'm wanting to improve this resource. I do not have a "marketing" agenda. What we have now is information that is organized in a way that is not completely correct and thus people will find this information through other resources. . . especially when obvious and big-name games that people will expect to see like Gears of War are excluded. I think that Hahnchen's changes will lead people to dismiss the resource because it will appear incorrect to them. If you can help me make it more correct by creating this distinction, the I would appreciate it.Bean23 23:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- Wikipedia should not be a means of enforcing marketing speak from video-game companies. An 360-Exclusive game should only be classified as such IF it is not available anywhere else, including on the PC. Whether the PC is considered in the same class of hardware as a video game console is irrelevant - if a software title is available on both, it is not exclusive to the console. Making a distinction between "console exclusivity" and "platform exclusivity" is buying into marketing hype, and it's technically incorrect. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- I think your effort is in good faith, and I agree with the spirit of what you're wanting to do. I posted a reply to your comment over on the CVGProj talk page. Lemme know what you think. :) — KieferSkunk (talk) — 23:16, 12 July 2007 (UTC)