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Elma van Den Dool

In Dutch name you added "Van can also indicate that a person is from a certain farm. The ancestors of the Dutch soprano Elma van Den Dool lived on a farm called Den Dool. The first letter of Den gets capitalised (she is from Den Dool)." (link) Do you have a source for that? And are you aware of the fact that the soprano herself spells her name as Elma van den Dool? (source) Muijz (talk) 07:30, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Muijz,

At the time of the 25th anniversary of the Utrecht Domcantorij she specifically asked me to spell her last name this way. Are you sure it is her that spells it as van den Dool? Or do others?

Yes, I asked her. Apart from that, your argument is "she told me so". But that is original research. We cannot use original research. See: Wikipedia:No original research. We have a reliable source for the spelling of her name: her website. IMHO we should stick to the spelling used there. Muijz (talk) 21:39, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Muijz,

Okay, I finally found the book in which she spells her name as Van den Dool. It is Vijfentwintig jaar Zaterdagmiddagmuziek Domkerk, page 61, sadly no ISBN number. Barbara Touburg (talk) 19:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalisation of von and van

Hi Btouberg: I saw your note at User talk:ClueBot Commons and looked into what happened. I see that you were reverted at Franz Schubert not by the bot, but by an editor who left an explanatory edit note.

From your note and your edits in 2013 to Cosima Wagner, I believe you are wrongly generalising Dutch practice to German names. Compare Van (Dutch)#Collation and capitalisation (particularly the first section, on the Netherlands and Suriname) with Von#Capitalisation. For Germans, unlike Dutch, the correct usage is to capitalise, say, Von Bülow when the "Von" is the first word in a sentence, but not otherwise even when the first name is omitted. I will be editing the Cosima Wagner article to reflect that. At the Schubert article, I don't know whether your other changes were good or not; I suggest you open a section at Talk:Franz Schubert to discuss the rest of the revert. But the editor seems to me to have a good point that we can simply omit the "von" in last-name-only references to von Spaun; this is often done in modern German with people who were not hereditary nobility. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:32, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Yngvadottir, I've never heard about the German custom to leave te prefix out. I'll let you decide. It's just so strange to see a last name with a lowecase prefix where there's no first name... Barbara Barbara Touburg (talk) 18:19, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Two things: a) in German, "von" is only spelled with a capital "V" at the begiining of a sentence (or similar); b) if a person with a "von" in their name is mentioned by their surname only, it's just as common to omit the "von" altogether (Goethe, Schiller, Bismarck, Spaun). -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:05, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So...sort of like "van" being a middle name? Jwoodward48wiki (talk) 22:01, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding its omission, yes, you can make that comparison. But the main point of contention here is the capitalisation of "von", which is (almost) never correct in German. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:19, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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