User talk:Cherylyoung
Seung-Hui Cho article[edit]
Hi. Your edits seem to be for style and substance, but it would be helpful to other editors if you would include a description of the edits you make on the Edit summary line. Also, using the Preview button before you commit your edits might save on the number of edits. High edit numbers make reversion more difficult to do. Thanks uriel8 (talk) 17:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I am not so familiar with how to edit using all the features. I make small changes because it is easier to do it in stages. I will use the preview and make the changes altogether. I will try to find the edit summary. I am going to review articles now for content. Cherylyoung 17:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I used the preview on the VT massacre timeline and that is helpful. I was using save as a preview. Sorry. I also made comments on the edit summary. So I will read some more articles..Cherylyoung 18:44, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Another thing that I need to know how to do is to name references. I would appreciate knowing how to do this to avoid repeating the same references.Cherylyoung 05:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Edits on May 10, 2007[edit]
Hello! I noted that you added new content to the Seung-hui Cho article regarding Cho's mother's reaching out to One Mind Church. However, information that you've included about this experience in the "Behavior in middle school and high school" section duplicates information already included in the Efforts by family to help Cho section of the same article. As you will note from the Washington Post article, Cho's contact with One Mind Church occurred before Cho's senior year at Virginia Tech, which also occurred after his commitment hearing in December 2005. With your inclusion of the One Mind Church visit in the middle/high school school section, readers might be mislead to believe or infer that Cho's mother contacted One Mind Church before Cho started his senior year in high school (Cho graduated from Westfield High in 2003, almost two years before his commitment hearing and about three years before his mother's visit to One Mind Church). Here's the info from The Washington Post: "But before the church could act late last summer, Seung Hui Cho had to return to Virginia Tech to start his senior year, said the Rev. Dong Cheol Lee, minister of the Presbyterian congregation.
Also, I have a concern about this insertion in the Cho article:
Your contribution to the Cho article: Hyang In Cho was so desperate to find help for her silent, angry son that she sought out some members of One Mind Church in Woodbridge to heal him of what the church's head pastor called "demonic power.
From the Washington Post: Hyang In Cho was so desperate to find help for her silent, angry son that she sought out some members of One Mind Church in Woodbridge to heal him of what the church's head pastor called "demonic power.
This statement was copied verbatim from the article, and readers and other editors might misconstrue your assertion as your own words, not the words of the author who wrote the the WaPo article. Upon this discovery, these readers and other editors might call out this insertion as plagiarism, even though you've provided the link in the reference, and either remove the statement, with a request to ask you to summarize this information in your own words. BTW, remember that no one really knew Cho was "angry" until he unleashed that explosive manifesto and those video clips to the public through NBC News. So, the writer of the WaPo article described what was learned about Cho (i.e., describing him as "angry") after the fact.
Since the information had already been summarized in the article and appears in the proper place to maintain a serial history of events, the insertion in the middle/high school section is subject to revision or removal by any editor of the Cho article. lwalt 19:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- Tip in response to your comment to another editor:
To reuse the same footnote/reference in the same article, instead of the tag <ref> at the beginning of the reference, use <ref name="SOURCE_NICKNAME"> (placing the name of what you want to call the tag in quotation marks. Here's an example of reusing the same reference in various parts of the same article (this reference is included in the Cho article):
<ref name="choMotherChurch">Lewis, B. (2007, May 1). Isolation defined Cho's senior year: Beseeched by mother, N. Va. church offered to purge "demonic power." The Washington Post. Retrieved on May 5, 2007</ref>
To reuse the same reference in multiple places of the same article, add <ref name="SOURCE_NICKNAME"/> where you need to reuse the same reference for other parts of the same article (don't forgot to add the slash (/) after the ending quotation mark; the ending </ref> is not needed in the case, since the slash (/) serves the purpose of the ending the citation). Using the earlier example:
I'm using the reference a second time.<ref name="choMotherChurch"/>
When you use the same reference in multiple places of the article, alphabetic notations (abcd...) appear next to the numbered reference cited multiple times in the article. For example, if the reference was used three times, the notation "abc" appears next to the number for the reference. To jump to a particular area where the referenced was used in the article, simply click the letter that corresponds with that area. Hope this information helps in the answer to your question about using the same reference multiple times in the same article. lwalt 19:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Welcome[edit]
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STOP[edit]
Chreyl... Your energy is admirable. Do you ever sleep? You've been doing this for, what, 20 hours now. Most of your edits are fine, but please stop to insert this Lan astaslem meme into every article you can think of. Syncretism? Please. Go to bed. Azate 08:24, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Merger[edit]
Dear Cheryl, what do think about a merger between the two articles (I think you know which articles I am talking about)? Str1977 (smile back) 12:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Good Work[edit]
Good work on the Islam article, keep it up and welcome to Wikipedia--Seadog.M.S 14:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
In order to create a redirect to another article, simply add "#redirect [[article name]]" Good luck editing! ˉˉanetode╦╩ 05:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Humash and Chumash[edit]
I'm working on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Disambiguation. I've specifically taken the task of keeping the links to [[Chumash]] clean. The established Wikipedia spelling of the Jewish word for Pentateuch is "Humash". I see you already know to use the spelling "Humash" as well as "Chumash". I ask you please don't link [[Chumash]] because that's the indian tribe/language.-- Randall Bart 07:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
External links[edit]
I noted that you added a link on Metasearch engine that I thought was inappropriate, so I removed it. I didn't think it was appropriate because it was to a commercial site, and we shouldn't have those unless they're the official site of the subject of the article. If you have any questions, feel free to ask them here or on my talk page. Thanks! Veinor (talk to me) 20:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Ahimsa[edit]
Hello Cheryl - please don't be offended but I have reverted the majority of your edits to the Ahimsa article as I did not feel the information was being given from a neutral and encyclopedic viewpoint. I am not of the belief that this was your intention, as to me your edits looked to be in good faith, but in my opinion the wording needs to be changed significantly before it could be added. The Jainism section could do with much expansion. I am happy to work with you on this if you can forgive me for reverting the changes. Sincere Regards, Gouranga(UK) 18:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Seung-Hui Cho article[edit]
Hi. Your edits seem to be for style and substance, but it would be helpful to other editors if you would include a description of the edits you make on the Edit summary line. Also, using the Preview button before you commit your edits might save on the number of edits. High edit numbers make reversion more difficult to do. Thanks uriel8 (talk) 17:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I am not so familiar with how to edit using all the features. I make small changes because it is easier to do it in stages. I will use the preview and make the changes altogether. I will try to find the edit summary. I am going to review articles now for content. Cherylyoung 17:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey[edit]
Hello Cherylyoung, thank you very much for your contributions to Virginia Tech Massacre-related articles. Regarding to the inclusion of "stalking", I've expressed my opinion on the talk page here, you may take a look. Thanks! Of course, you are more than welcome to join our WP:CRIME project and be a valuable contributor. Regards. WooyiTalk, Editor review 20:22, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Virginia Tech[edit]
You are making good contributions, but please do not link every instance of a name or other article. Only the first occurance of a particular term needs to be linked in an article, unless there is a particular need for a link later on. Another thing, is that you definitely do not need to link only part of a name, as you have done severals times with [[Cho]]. This term, for example, leads only to a disambiguation page, not to the page of the person himself. If you have any questions, feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Cheers! -- Huntster T • @ • C 08:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Stalking[edit]
Hello, I appreciate that you have told me about yourself so I will tell you about my background.
I live in Michigan. My daughter, Rochelle, while in high school tutored kids from a youth home. She was stalked. We moved. They found her an murdered her. After she was murdered. I learned that in Westland 2 girls had complained to police several times that Aldo Funari had assaulted them and was leaving death threats on their answering machine with a countdown of days. They went to the police several times and since there were no witnesses, the police just took a report. On the last day of the countdown, my daughter was murdered. Aldo got his friends to help. They used his gun and put it in my daughter's mouth then put her by the railroad tracks. Aldo, who held her arms was a juvenile was put on a tether and is now free. Calvin went to prison.
After my daughter's murder, worked with Michgan legislators to get laws changed for personal protection orders, truth in sentencing and sentencing guidelines. Recently, a young man who brutally killed at age 12, was paroled. For Abrahamson and Aldo, there will be no further follow up.
It was difficult to get the laws changed because it costs $40K to keep a person in prison. I know a lot about stalking and murder because I spent a lot of time with victims and their parents. One woman from Ann Arbor thought he daughter was OK. The stalker went to her daughter's bedroom window, shot an killed her as she lay asleep in bed. Maybe sometimes a person will accuse someone of stalking and it is not serious, more often, I think, it is not taken seriously and women are discouraged from "pressing charges" so nothing is done other than the report.
Many, many young women have been killed. Most cases never get press coverage. I am a member of Parents of Murdered Children, and Citizen's against Homicide. I am glad that the stalking incidents in your highschool were not serious. When a person gets a personal protection order and the stalker violates that order, there is a paper trail that may be used by police. A personal protection order has more effect than someone notifying a stalker to have no further contact. When a person obtains a personl protection order, the stalker is not incarcerated, the stalker is just given written notification that he is not to have contact with that person. If the stalker violates that order, then there may be something like a tether before actual incarceration.
Yes, some people may be helped with counseling. Others may not. Usually, there is a long trial and error period to find the medication to treat the symptoms of anxiety, depression, mania, psychosis, etc. and counseling is a long, long process. Cho, like many people with mental problems refused to comply with treatment. Andy Koch, his roommate reached out to him as well as Lucinda Roy, the codirector of Creative Writing. Cho was not cooperative. The mental health laws protect the patient. There are confidentiality laws and laws to insure that a person is not given medication against their will. This is good but when a seriously delusional person refuses treatment and medication, there is nothing that can be done. At the time when my daughter tried to reach out to the youth in the youth home, I was proud of her community service, but the abused, abandoned and neglected youth should be handled by professionals. Cherylyoung 14:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Stalking[edit]
Hello again. Thanks for your reply on the talk page. I have lived in Virginia for a couple years and went to high school there (Centreville High School, which is in proximity of the high school Cho graduated from, which was Westfield High School). In my high school years there, I've sometimes heard people accusing others of stalking when it's not happening (for example, in extreme cases, if a guy there really likes a girl and the girl doesn't like him, she would accuse him of being a stalker). In my experience, stalkers are often frustrated kids. I think we need to help them through counseling instead of incarceration of punitive acts.
So are you from Virginia as well? Sounds like you are in the law enforcement, and law enforcement personnel are very valuable to WP:CRIME since your expertise will help a lot here. Cheers!
--WooyiTalk, Editor review 20:41, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Trey Perkins[edit]
I do not believe Perkins was injured, so he wouldn't be on the injured. WhisperToMe 20:47, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Guide to referencing[edit]
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I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can removed unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started.
A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use Reliable sources, such as published books, mainstream press, authorised web sites, and official documents. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is Original research, e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research.
The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section. This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:
The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and after punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap):
Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference.
Copy the following text, open the edit box for this page, paste it at the bottom (inserting your own text) and save the page:
(End of text to copy and paste.)
You need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For a book it might look like this:
An online newspaper source would be:
Note the square brackets around the URL. The format is [URL Title] with a space between the URL and the Title. If you do this the URL is hidden and the Title shows as the link. Use double apostrophes for the article title, and two single quote marks either side of the name of the paper (to generate italics). The date after The Guardian is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site – useful for searching the web archive in case the link goes dead. Wikilinks (double square brackets which create an internal link to a wikipedia article) function inside the ref tags. Dates are wikilinked so that they work with user preference settings.
You may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference
The first time a reference appears in the article, you can give it a simple name in the <ref> code:
The second time you use the same reference in the article, you need only to create a short cut instead of typing it all out again:
You can then use the short cut as many times as you want. Don't forget the /, or it will blank the rest of the article! A short cut will only pick up from higher up the page, so make sure the first ref is the full one. Some symbols don't work in the ref name, but you'll find out if you use them.
You can see refs in action in the article William Bowyer (artist). There are 3 sources and they are each referenced 3 times. Each statement in the article has a footnote to show what its source is.
When you become familiar with the process, the next step is to have one section, "Footnotes", with links embedded in the text, and another, "References", which lists all of your references alphabetically with full details, e.g. for a book:
If you're ready to go into it further, these pages have detailed information:
I hope this helps. If you need any assistance, let me know. Tyrenius 19:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC) |
Families of Freedom Scholarship Fund[edit]
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Pre-Meiji Period: Use of Japanese era name in identifying disastrous events[edit]
Would you consider making a contribution to an exchange of views at either of the following:
As you know, Wikipedia:WikiProject Disaster management came up with entirely reasonable guidelines for naming articles about earthquakes, fires, typhoons, etc. However, the <<year>><<place> <<event>> format leaves no opportunity for conventional nengō which have been used in Japan since the eighth century (701-1945) -- as in "the Great Fire of Meireki" (1657) or for "the Hōei eruption of Mount Fuji" (1707).
In a purely intellectual sense, I do look forward to discovering how this exchange of views will develop; but I also have an ulterior motive. I hope to learn something about how better to argue in favor of a non-standard exception to conventional, consensus-driven, and ordinarily helpful wiki-standards such as this one. In my view, there does need to be some modest variation in the conventional paradigms for historical terms which have evolved in non-Western cultures -- no less in Wikipedia than elsewhere. I'm persuaded that, at least in the context of Japanese history before the reign of Emperor Meiji (1868-1912), some non-standard variations seem essential; but I'm not sure how best to present my reasoning to those who don't already agree with me. I know these first steps are inevitably awkward; but there you have it.
The newly-created 1703 Genroku earthquake article pushed just the right buttons for me. Obviously, these are questions that I'd been pondering for some time; and this became a convenient opportunity to move forward in a process of building a new kind of evolving consensus. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 18:05, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Boumedienne[edit]
Do you have a primary source for the Houari Boumedienne quote regarding the immigration from the 3rd World? I did a not inconsiderable amount of research into finding the source for that quote, and I could not find it anywhere apart from white supremacist sites. The minutes of the UN conference referenced by the quote do not contain that quote. The only source I could find for it was Camp of the Saints the racist book from 1973. If you actually have a primary, reputable, source, I'll be more than happy to stop deleting the quote from the Boumedienne article, and I'd be curious to know what it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.58.32 (talk) 02:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
The statement was allegedly from a 1974 speech before the UN General Assembly. Orianna Fallaci cited this statement in The Force of Reason. I do not have a copy of it so I will have to find the citation again. Here is an online encyclopedia...http://i-cias.com/e.o/boumedie.htm. I have written to the Library of Congress and the UN. I will let you know when I get a reply.Cherylyoung (talk)
I am not good at using the talk feature so I don't know how to make a notice to you. I will put the statement back now....the date of the speech was April 10, 1974. It was an address (6th special session) made at the New York headquarters.Cherylyoung (talk)
The Boumedienne quotation is used in a May 4, 2004 article by Lorenzo Vidino entitled "Forceful Reason" and in the book Stealth Jihad by Robert Spencer. Cherylyoung (talk)
I was hoping for a better source than Robert Spencer....I knew Fallaci had put in her book as well. The only problem is that the speech Boumedienne gave at the Sixth Special Session didn't focus on issues like demography, it focused on outlining the new principles that the Group of 77 should adhere to and the outlining of a new economic order. When I read the text of the speech stored at the Library of Congress, I could not find those words. The other scholar working on the project could not find it either. I remain suspicious of the quote, as it never seems to have much variation in its quotation, and the context cited are almost universally identical. If you've ever played telephone you know how quickly words and phrases get distorted. The consistent nature of the quote on a such famously erroneous medium as the Internet leads me to believe that there is a single source that essentially acts as the primary source for copying and pasting the quote and its context. Nor does it help that the quote is almost universally used at anti-Islam/immigrant/whathaveyou websites. For such a clearly incendiary quote one would expect more coverage outside of that demographic. As an example of a similar quotation from that era, take the rapidity with which one can find credible sources for the Rivers of Blood speech, when Enoch Powell expressed similar statements. One can find newspaper articles in abundance. This statement has a disturbing dearth of sources without agenda...In any case, so long as you have a source I suppose it can stay, I'll just have to see if I can get the text of the speech in question "Needed: A New International Economic Order".68.34.58.32 (talk) 03:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I received a letter from a librarian that said she could not locate the passage in the printout of the documents that she has and she has requested verification from the UN library. So I will delete the passage until I receive notification.Cherylyoung (talk)
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