User talk:ClueBot Commons/Archives/2023/January

bot archived a section that should not have been archived?

At this edit ClueBot III archived a section that should not have been archived. Is this a bug in the bot or is there a mechanism that will prevent the bot from considering such sections?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:35, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Hi. I'm not sure why you say "section that should not have been archived". Maybe because it has no signature? If yes, then unlike lowercase sigmabot, as stated on CBIII's userpage ClueBot III works based on the revision history of the page in question, and not on the timestamps associated with signatures. To avoid archiving that particular thread, you can either change the header level to one (single =) from two, or simply add a {{DNAU}} template. Let me know if you have further queries. Regards, —usernamekiran (talk) 19:18, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

courtesy ping @UtherSRG and Sawol:. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:27, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

This appears to have been fixed by deletion of the heading and then by restoration of the heading as a level 1 heading. The advice to use level 1 headings for sections that should not be archived seems to violate MOS:BODY which says Heading 1 (= Heading 1 =) is automatically generated as the title of the article, and is never appropriate within the body of articles. The advice to use {{DNAU}} seems to be equally flawed because there isn't a way to say {{DNAU|end-of-time}} ...

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:14, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Hi. Yes. I added that level 1 heading with invisible comment. I think the MOS guideline is applicable to articles only. The page WT:AWB uses level one header thrice on the same page. DNAU would be a little inconvenient if we keep providing dates in near future. On my talkpage there is a thread for which I have used 10 years (3650 months, or maybe 3700 months). I don't the upper limit for that though, but we after substituting DNAU template, we can manually update that archival date for sure. If you are not comfortable with level 1 heading, we can set DNAU for a century maybe. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:14, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Editor AManWithNoPlan changed your preferred 'fix' by using <h2>...</h2> → <p>...</p> tags and {{hr}} at this edit and this edit. At this edit I replaced all of that html with {{fake heading}} which for that page produces a correctly appearing heading that the archiving bots should(?) ignore and no guidance is violated.

Much the same way that we should not violate the guidance that says 'no line-breaks between indents' when using : list markup (WP:LISTGAP), we should not violate the heading guidance. WT:AWB uses level one header thrice is an other-stuff argument. I don't clearly understand what you mean with regard to {{DNAU}}. Yeah, sure we can probably write {{DNAU|100|years}} ... But why should we have to do that? Is there a {{Do not archive}} template that the archiving bots understand? I thought that the lack of a signature was all that was needed to keep a section from being archived...

Do the archiving bots look at the page's html or does it read the page's wikitext? For WT:AWB, one might use:

<h2 style="border-bottom: 1px solid #AAAAAA">Before you post</h2>

which would then (in theory) keep the archiving bots from archiving that section?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:16, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

I originally used the h2 method, then got concerned that is would get archived. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 17:49, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

ClueBot III archiving when talk page exceeds a certain size

How do I get this bot to only archive sections of a talk page if the talk page size exceeds a certain limit? I don't think Lowercase sigmabot III does this.

I tried to get this bot to archive when my talk page exceeds ~75 kB (maxkeepbytes set to ~74700) yet it did it anyways at 39.5kB probably because I did not set the age parameter by then. (FYI, I use a "talk fullness" mechanic to determine when my talk should be archived; the fraction is [my talk page size in bytes / 75000].) Sheep (talk • he/him) 13:07, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Adding sections to an index

Hi, I recently added three sections to my user talk page archive. They were deleted before the bot started indexing/archiving and I'm brought them back. Will the bot automatically index the new sections or do I have to do this manually? Will this mess up the automatic indexing when sections are auto archived in the future? BappleBusiness^[talk] 01:10, 9 January 2023 (UTC)