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  • Hello!! I am Cyberpower678. I am your typical run of the mill user here on Wikipedia.
  • I specialize in bot work and tools, but I lurk around RfPP, AfD, AIV, and AN/I, as well as RfA. If you have any questions in those areas, please feel free to ask. :-)
  • I also serve as a mailing list moderator and account creator over at the Account Creation Center. If you have any questions regarding an account I created for you, or the process itself, feel free to email the WP:ACC team or me personally.
  • At current I have helped to create accounts for 1932 different users.
  • Disputes or discussions that appear to have ended or is disputed will be archived.

All the best.—cyberpower


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Addition of archive URLs to Formula One[edit]

Hi Cyberpower678. Very sorry to hear of your loss. Cyberbot II added the following archive URLs (in among a bunch of others) to Formula One yesterday:

I found these archive links to not work, so I reverted the changes and added the {{cbignore}} template per the instructions. However, the bot re-added the archive URLs today. Did I do something incorrectly? Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 23:49, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

You're doing it correctly, but the bot is misbehaving. I'll have to look what happened there. Since it's only doing a single run at the moment, it won't come back another time. I'll have it fixed before fully deploying it.—cyberpowerChat:Online 23:57, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Fixed It will be implemented on the next run since this is the first official run, and there are likely no other {{cbignore}} tags around. You can go ahead ad restore them.—cyberpowerChat:Online 00:13, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Cool. Thanks for the speedy response. DH85868993 (talk) 00:35, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

I might have screwed something up[edit]

I think I accidentally clicked Run on Cyberbot II when I was reading through to figure out if it can be "requested", I don't know what I did but it took me to a tools page. Can you please take a look? cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 05:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

I just noticed that myself reviewing my bot's contributions. I was wondering who clicked the link. As soon as you click run, it makes a single run on Wikipedia.—cyberpowerChat:Offline 05:19, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
I was trying to see if I could request something on a specific article, but I think I have sticky fingers as I suddenly saw a tools page show instead giving me some data and then I looked at the bots contribs and figured I might have messed something up. Very sorry about this! —SpacemanSpiff
That's alright. It's an approved bot task after all.—cyberpowerChat:Offline 05:30, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

BRFA comments[edit]

Hi Cyberpower, this is a follow-up to your comments on BU Rob13's BRFA. I know you've now dropped the sockpuppet thing - thank you - but I thought this warranted comment from someone uninvolved. This is really not appropriate. I don't know why there's been so many unsubstantiated sock accusations flying around lately, but the effect is to publicly insult our most competent newer users at a time when Wikipedia really needs new blood. Even if a competent new user were a sock, so what? As long as they're doing good work, leave them alone unless you have compelling evidence of a real problem. IRC chatter isn't in that category. Please be more careful in the future, thanks. Opabinia regalis (talk) 16:25, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

I apologize. I will avoid the topic of socking completely in the future. Finding socks isn't really all my cup of tea anyways. I merely brought it up since a user mentioned it on IRC. If you would like I can remove the unintentional accusation since it's causing more issue than good.—cyberpowerChat:Limited Access 16:27, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. I think leaving it hatted is fine; the matter is settled. Opabinia regalis (talk) 16:53, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

English Longbow[edit]

Thanks for the heads up that a link needed updating on this page. I've replaced the bot archive link for a live one though - the bot link wouldn't resolve through Wayback. Monstrelet (talk) 18:34, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Signature missing closing span tags?[edit]

I think your signature is missing two closing </span> tags. WP's syntax highlighter flips out and turns the rest of the page purple when it encounters your sig. I added the span closing tags on the Bot Requests page; remove them if you think they are breaking something. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:15, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

I omitted them to conserve sig size as the MW software automatically adds them in the final result.—cyberpowerChat:Online 00:19, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Cyberbot II wayback links - should go to first, not last, archived version?[edit]

Hi, I wanted to ask about the Cyberbot II wayback links. It seems to me that these should probably by default go to the FIRST archived version found at Internet Archive, rather than the latest. The reason is, if the original URL doesn't work, the latest Wayback machine entry is probably a 404 or a redirect from the broken page, versus the original content we'd expect in the first or mid-range date versions. For pages which were not altered after creation (not unusual) the first version would be correct.

I say this as I've reviewed four such links that were done on pages I watch recently, and three of them had this problem. I fixed them by changing the archive date to the earliest one in each case, but it would be easier if the bot just went with that to start with...

Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:30, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

The bot pulls out a source that is closest to the accessdate, or when it was added to the article. That way it also ensures that the desired information is there.—cyberpowerChat:Online 01:32, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Minor issue[edit]

Hi Cyberpower678! Minor issue here, but User:Cyberpower678/Archives needs to be updated, as it's out-of-date (i.e. missing entries). Just so you know! --IJBall (contribstalk) 05:24, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

broken archive links[edit]

This edit didn't turn out the way one might have hoped (the second {{cite web}} template). The new archive-url value addresses a 404 page while the original archive-url value addresses the apparently correct page.

Trappist the monk (talk) 18:24, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Also compare old to new.

Trappist the monk (talk) 18:34, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

The bot does it's best to find a working archive, but it's not 100% reliable.—cyberpowerChat:Limited Access 18:57, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Looks like a minor bug. The bot attempts to normalize citation templates, but it shouldn't alter the archive. The bot is doing a single run at the moment, so you are free to revert or fix the citation.—cyberpowerChat:Online 19:43, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm also coming up with some similar errors, see [1][2]:Cyberbot II pulls an archive that is actually a 404. Sometimes that's because the bot chose a later archive when only the earlier archives captured the page before it went dead. Also some HTTP 302 crawl errors [3][4]. Can the bot be coded to select archives, if possible, that are dated to before the date of the dead link tag, and preferably as close to the date the original source was added to the wiki article? Altamel (talk) 00:07, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
The bot is already coded to do that. If there is no specified access date, it looks through the revision history to find the timestamp when it was added.—cyberpowerChat:Offline 05:55, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Also 302 isn't an error. It's a redirect code and the archive will automatically redirect to the correct location.—cyberpowerChat:Offline 05:56, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
What's the right way to deal with a attempt to redirect to archive which doesn't work? E.g., here, where the Nashua Telegraph (site being referenced) explicitly prohibited archiving with a robots.txt? In this case, I reverted to the "dead link" notification, there doesn't appear to be a way to get a usable pointer to an article any more. Is there a preferred better action? Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 21:43, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
I fixed the link – it wasn't really dead, just malformed (the trailing slash shouldn't have been there). But the validity of your question remains. Mojoworker (talk) 23:16, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

DeadLinksBot[edit]

Just saw that the BFRA was approved. Looking forward to seeing this bot in action. Cheers! Kaldari (talk) 00:25, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

The bot is running with limited speed at the moment. I'm waiting for the dedicated resources to let it run at full speed.—cyberpowerChat:Limited Access 02:05, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Hey Max, see here and here. The bot was pretty awesome and did a great job, but there are some issues. First, with The Smashing Pumpkins, apparently the version that WayBack Machine archived was actually a redirect. It continues redirect a second time before landing on a working archive, so I think it's a matter of the bot checking for the 302 response code and following the redirect(s). Maybe the API works differently though (if there is an API), so not sure. The same thing happened with The Rolling Stones with this archive URL. Similarly, this archive URL redirects to this non-working archive. So again it's the WayBack Machine returning 302's or 404's, that the bot simply needs to check for and not assume they are a working version. Otherwise I think the bot is pretty f-ing awesome and will a great asset to the project. Hope this helps! MusikAnimal talk 18:25, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Unfortunately what you are suggestion makes sense, but the bot is already attempting that. The bot is requesting the closest archive to the accessdate, that is either a 200, 203, 206, 301, 302, 307, or 308 as they all resemble a working page in some manner. The bot cannot automatically follow a redirect due to the limitations of the wayback API. Working with Ocaasi, on behalf of the WMF, I am hoping that the API's capabilities can be expanded. This is one feature I have not requested, so you should consider asking Ocaasi to ask IA to add that too.—cyberpowerChat:Online 19:49, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Seems like a 200 would guarantee a working version, though, right? Or at least not a redirect or dead version. I figured there was some API limitation here. Anyway thanks for the hard work! MusikAnimal talk 19:53, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
True, but I've discovered that not all pages that 302, ever had a 200. A source on Wikipedia could have been created and the site may have always 302ed and that's all there is in the archive when pulling a copy.—cyberpowerChat:Online 20:25, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Cyberbot II false edit summary?[edit]

In this edit to Born again (Christianity), the bot seems to have added a {{wayback}} template and archived a reference, which is fine, but its edit summary reads "Rescuing 1 sources, flagging 0 as dead, and archiving 2 sources." That doesn't seem to be true. I'm not quite sure what the "rescuing" refers to, but it only archived 1 source, not 2. This edit has the same problem, while this edit uses an identical summary, but it's actually true there. This edit summary doesn't sound right, either ("archiving 0 sources"). Unless I'm misunderstanding the meaning of the summaries, they don't all seem to be accurate. And on a separate note, is the removal of "Emmer, Michele. Mathematics and Cinema in" in this edit intentional? Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 10:13, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, you are misinterpreting the edit summary. The rescuing count are the sources that are getting changed. Rescuing meaning reviving sources. Archiving is a behind the scenes process you can't see. The bot is taking links that are not yet in the wayback machine, and archiving them. This will allow sources that die in the future to remain accessible.—cyberpowerChat:Limited Access 15:08, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Ah, okay. Thanks for the explanation; that makes sense. Is there an FAQ page or anything for Cyberbot II's dead links task? Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 15:51, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Not yet. I haven't been asked the same question frequently enough yet. :p This is a brand new bot, one that probably has some bugs still needing to be worked out based on the above comments.—cyberpowerChat:Limited Access 16:03, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
I came to ask something that would be partially resolved by a FAQ entry about the meanings of the various terms used. The edit-summary for this edit to Sucralose says "Rescuing 3 sources, flagging 0 as dead, and archiving 1" but the edit only added a Wayback link to one ref (a ref that was indeed 404 but had a viable Wayback copy). Based on your previous answer, it sounds instead like only 1 was rescued. The message posted to Talk:Sucralose#External links modified lists 3 entries as "Added archive", which is consisent with the edit-summary. DMacks (talk) 03:44, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

AdminStats question[edit]

Hi again, Cyberpower678! I have a question about AdminStats – AdminStats used to include in its output list all those Admins that had done zero Admin actions during the searched timeperiod. But I noticed today that it is no longer including Admins with zero Admin actions in the list, ending just with those that had done at least one Admin action during the searched timeperiod. Was that a deliberate change? If so, what was the reasoning behind that change? (Personally, I found the inclusion of the Admins with zero Admin actions in the list useful info...) Thanks in advance! --IJBall (contribstalk) 17:05, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

If it changed it certainly wasn't deliberate, considering nobody has been making alterations to xTools for a while now.—cyberpowerChat:Limited Access 18:09, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

cyberbot I stuck or stalled[edit]

Wikipedia:RFXR is out of date, and hasn't been updated in over seven hours. Thanks, Wbm1058 (talk) 17:41, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes and WP:RFPP doesn't appeared to have been clerked since around the same time. However the bot has been making other edits since then, so not sure what's going on MusikAnimal talk 18:19, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
The bot seems to have updated the page now: take a look at Special:Diff/678640812. Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 18:20, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
The bot also updated RFPP at the same time: Special:Diff/678640814. Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 18:22, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Opinion on a bot policy thing[edit]

Hi Cyberpower. I'm approaching you as an uninvolved bot operator who's far more familiar with the precedents of how bot policy has been applied than I am. Would a bot task that removed deprecated parameters that have been entirely removed from a template (i.e. serve no function any longer) from mainspace articles fall afoul of WP:COSMETICBOT?

Several parameters related to debut and final teams were removed a while back with consensus from {{Infobox NFL player}} as they duplicated information in the parameter that displays all teams a player has played on (with years played). The parameters were completely removed from the template, and no longer have any effect on the template's output. The rationale for removing them is that their presence in articles is likely to confuse new editors or even experienced editors unfamiliar with this particular infobox, possibly causing them to add good information to a parameter that no longer displays rather than the appropriate one. In my opinion and those of other editors close to this particular template, this makes it worthwhile to remove the parameters from all articles even if it does not produce any change in the HTML output of the page.

Your opinion on this would be appreciated, as I'm unsure how COSMETICBOT has been applied in the past and whether it tends to extend beyond things like removing white space. If there's a better person I should ask, let me know. Thanks! ~ RobTalk 20:28, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

WP:COSMETICBOT does apply here, however, if there is consensus for such a bot, then there is no reason why it shouldn't get approved.—cyberpowerChat:Online 20:50, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Just to make sure I'm understanding your response in a more general sense, is it correct that COSMETICBOT applies only for tasks that do not have a clear consensus? Thanks again for your help. ~ RobTalk 21:14, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Consensus is the driving force behind actions on Wikipedia. If consensus wants something done, it can override policy, since policy was established by consensus to cover most cases. So in other words, WP:COSMETICBOT only matters if there is no consensus for a bot affected by this policy. So in short, WP:COSMETICBOT will result in all proposed that apply, to be denied per policy unless a discussion with a favoring outcome supports it.—cyberpowerChat:Online 22:57, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Alright, I understand. Thanks again for your help! ~ RobTalk 00:26, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Checked link; archiveurl is borked. Now what?[edit]

Hey, I think the prospect of programming a bot to automagically replace deadlink refs with archived URLs is a noble endeavor. However, it doesn't always work (scrolling up, I'm not alone in seeing this), yet the automated Talk Page message doesn't seem to allow for any other edit than 'checked=true', which causes a message to appear, stating "Archived sources has been checked to be working". OK, I checked the link, and it's bad, and there are no earlier archived versions... now what? Any chance there could be an option to note that: The archived source was checked, but found to be an archived 404 (or some such), and cannot be further rescued? I would imagine you are interested in the success rate of your bot, and at the very least this could help provide such stats. Thanks! Antepenultimate (talk) 00:24, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Force archive[edit]

Exciting to see the Internet Archive bot making its rounds. (Feature suggestion: it'd be nice if it also ran a WebCite archive on the link for good measure—sometimes archive.org drops whole sites from the archive. User:WebCiteBOT has been down for some time.) Question for your FAQ: Is there a way to call the bot over to a page? Or to specify which citations to expand when first adding them? – czar 03:44, 31 August 2015 (UTC)