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I replied to your request for feedback. Chevy monte carlo 08:23, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I have done what you suggested: 1. Added some links to the page so it isn't an orphan.

2. Changed the capitalization you mentioned as not being "pro forma".

Appreciate the constructive feedback!

David P. P. Persyn 19:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

John Navone

I see two major problems with the article.

The huge list of works - not very encyclopedic, and very disruptive when dropped in the middle of the text.
Personal interviews are not reliable, verifiable sources.

...and that's after just glancing at the article. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 18:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Add one more - the section of quotes. There's another site, Wikiquotes, that is much more appropriate for them. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 18:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

3rd attempt to repsond. For some reason, this talkback doesn't let me save anything.

1. List of works ..... well, I'm in a quandry. He's notable BECAUSE he wrote all this stuff! So which do I exclude? Seems like almost a catch-22.

2. I removed reference to personal interviews, but this begs the question. How do you document someone's date of birth or their parents' names otherwise?

Thanks,

David P. P. Persyn 19:45, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd suggest you try to find some secondary sources (if you don't already have them) that discuss his notability in relation to his works. WP:RS talks about secondary v primary sources. Ditto for the BD and parents, although I'm not sure the parents names are really notable or controversial, so their inclusion may not be necessary or need a source if you choose to include them. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 19:50, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am not aware of any secondary sources ON Father saying he's notable, that's what I meant by catch-22. If he has written 23 books (published in established houses, not vanity publishing) AND over 200 articles in scholarly (peer reviewed jornals) then it seems that listing these works ESTABLISHES that he's notable! See what I mean?

I've looked hard at the policies, and it appears that the exception listed on living subjects would have me do it the way I have done. This is discouraging.

NB- For comparison, I'd say look at the article on Author Louis L'Amour as a comparison. Pretty much along the lines of what I have done!

David P. P. Persyn 19:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I think I addressed your major concern by moving the list of publications to the end as a bibliography, as it is in the Louis L'Amour article.

I think I can turn the quotes into a narrative instead of a list, and that would address your other concern.

Thanks again.

David P. P. Persyn 20:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

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