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Hi, I submitted an arbitration on this guy here. Let's see what happens.

OneGuy 09:41, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

ok... I was unaware of the issue (I never tried to disambiguate anonymous vandals on islamic pages). dab 09:43, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

No problem[edit]

Hi, once again,

No problem about the reference to being colour blind. As a matter of fact, one reason that I have been a little bothered by that image is that after I have racked the gamma up to where I can see the lightest parts of the image I can tell that others have inadvertently left some interesting details out. I have spent all day getting an equal-area projection, and then copying smallish segment by smallish segment onto that project from the original document. (I wonder why they used such washed out colors, anyway.) I had something nice and then, I guess because I had just imported a GIF image for some reason, when I saved my good map it was saved as a GIF and all my colors got the measles. Hours later I have restored everything, but now I am not too well satisfied with the colors. I would like them to give the idea of skin colors. I just have to hope that the original selections of colors were optically about equally apart for the average user. Unfortunately my colors look a little too red. It will be no problem to change the colors now that I have everything in a good PNG document.

I have also experimented with putting some faces around the map. I wonder whether somebody will complain that I left too much room, didn't leave enough room, or that in the suggestions for other photos that could be added I did not mention their favorite skin shade. Anyway, at this time it is just a suggestion so nobody should pop an aneurism.


Pat P0M 07:37, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)


I don't mean to be emphatic about the classification of Gothic. It's certainly ok to classify it with N Germanic. I just wanted to point out that the question is unresolved, and Holtzmann's law also widely considered parallel, or areal, rather than genetic.

No worries :) I doubt that anything concerning the origins of the Goths will ever be considered resolved or reach any kind of consensus. I also appreciate that you know about the subject.--Wiglaf 20:30, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Plate armour[edit]

Es gab sowohl spezielle Turnierrüstungen für das Tjosten (Jousting) als auch für das Turnier zu Fuß, also wäre der Oberbegriff tournament angebracht. -- 13:14, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Bist Du DaB. aus :de ? Ich bin Dylac. Ein Hinweis auf spezielle Rüstungen für das Turnier zu Fuß und vor allem auf Paraderüstungen sollte noch in den Artikel eingebaut werden. -- 13:23, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Both you and Dan argue against each other by quoting pieces of text that I have written. To clarify. Sweden did exist prior to the 11th century, but it was much less centralized. There was the Swedish king at Uppsala (perhaps since the 1st century AD, when Tacitus mention the Swedes). However, his dominions were ruled by subkings who were more or less faithful.--Wiglaf 08:35, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Dab, I hope you don't feel that I left you in the lurch with the Viking articles. The reason why I quit is

  1. Dan stands for a way of approaching meaning that is very different from mine, and such a talkpage is not suited for trying to point out the fallacies of objectivism in favour of experiential realism.
  2. I know Dan, from the Swedish Wikipedia, and if you want to argue with him you need to be very well prepared and spend a lot of time defining words. Since it apparently did not work this time I gave up.

I also think you did a good job when you argued with him.--Wiglaf 15:17, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The smell of fanaticism makes me search for fun in other directions. ;-) --Johan Magnus 16:12, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)


A list of unrelated words does nothing to disprove a language relationship. I could cite any number of unrelated words between English and German. The task is to find as many related words as possible, and then judge those. dab 15:59, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I do not want to disprove relationship, I know, because it is evident thru agglutination, that Hungarian and Finnish are related. I just want to show, that these groups (fu/uralic) are nonsense.

These are not arbitraryly selected words, but ground words, I took from a linguistic book. The parts of the body, the family, the living environment. If you have an other selection, please list the words, and we can use also them, if they are ground words. Thanks, Antifinnugor 16:37, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

There are no 200 similar words. That is a main point in the critic. There are maximum 10, that are slightly similar. That is the achilles angle of the theory. I do not doubt the similarity of Hu-Fi languages grammatically, but I doubt the existence of this artificial group, since it is nonsense, no matter, how many "experts" think, it is right. It is wrong.
I once created a critic page, but it was (full hate, like pasquale) voted to be deleted. Now mustafa and pasquale delete all critic. How to achieve normal way of working? Antifinnugor 09:05, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Silver Bible[edit]

my wrong! --Johan Magnus 15:57, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Seriously, Dab, we could accuse him of not only pornographic vandalism but also of racism. If you take his definition "Viking was a male member" and replace Viking with Jew, Arab or African, the phrase appears as the racist statement it is ;o) .--Wiglaf 16:21, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Achaea - Use of IPA[edit]

Thanks for the suggestion on use of International Phonetic Alphabet. It looks to be ideal for unambiguous pronunciation. However, I was striving for a method of clarifying the sound to everyday English speakers. The symbols of IPA would be confusing to non-specialists, don't you think?

Also, I haven't used the Wiki system much, still learning! Blainster 20:45, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Odinic Rite[edit]

On User_talk:Fjorn you mentioned that Odinic Rite might have been put up for deletion in bad faith. I can't speak for the person who originally put it up as a speedy, but I put it up on VfD to make sure there was a concensus to keep it, instead of leaving it tagged as a dubious speedy. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 14:43, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)

  • Not offended at all, I just wanted to be sure I knew who the comment was aimed at. And unless there's clear evidence to prove otherewise I always assume good faith in regard to the people who submit something for deletion. :-) [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 16:10, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)


Hi Dab! An anonymous user who sounds very much like Dan Koehl has appeared at Talk:Scandza. If you have the ability of checking IP-addresses, would you, please, like to verify if it is him?--Wiglaf 17:59, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Then I am quite certain that it is Dan. If you think it might work with an RFC, I am with you all the way!--Wiglaf 20:20, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I am not so certain. An option, I´d suggest, is to ask me if its me. Dan Koehl 10:06, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
disturbing... there must be a lot of people like that in Sweden, then... (maybe the Vikings were pricks after all? ;o)
LOL :-) --Wiglaf 18:38, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)


A spectacular image! I'm curious whether this is in fact a south Italian amphora (with the white glaze), thus connected in locale with Sicily? Can you add to the info on the image source? --Wetman 10:59, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Haman (Islam)[edit]

I've recently expanded the historicity section of Haman (Islam), covering certain polemics often cited online, and in the process adding the hieroglyphic equivalents of two names which have been proposed as equivalents of Haman. However, the source I got them from is in German, and I'm not too confident about the exact translation of Ranke's comments; would you be willing to have a look? They're quite short. - Mustafaa 19:03, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Hi Dab, I have seen your interesting work on the runes. I have a suggestion. The Ing rune would fit better under the Yngvi article or the Freyr article than under the Ingaevones article, since Ing was a name for the god Freyr aka Yngvi. The tribal name Ingaevones/Ingvaeones is derived from this old name for Freyr.--Wiglaf 12:32, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'll do that. You're doing a great job with the runes, and I'll help you out tonight, when I have more time on my hands. I think you have made the right decision in putting the info on the individual runes under the concepts they related to, such as the Tyr rune under Tyr.--Wiglaf 12:42, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing[edit]

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:


Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. Ram-Man (comment) (talk)[[]] 15:32, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

RFC pages on VfD[edit]

Should RFC pages be placed on VfD to be deleted? I'm considering removing Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Slrubenstein, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/John Kenney from WP:VFD. Each of them was listed by CheeseDreams. Your comments on whether I should do this would be appreciated. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:33, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Hi Dab, I saw that you reverted one of my edits at Rune poem. AFAIK, Os was the Anglo-Saxon name for for Ás, i.e. one of the Aesir.--Wiglaf 19:03, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hippos unscrupulous vandalism[edit]

First: You are extremely unfriendly, and only give hateful comments, without any argumentation. Antifinnugor 13:21, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

your remarks are clearly ad hominem, and thus in violation of WP policy, and showing you for the edit warrior you are. I am glad for Hippo's janitorial

Hipo reverts vandalistic and unscrupulously. Antifinnugor 12:10, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

reverts, as is everybody else here. You should recognize that your reasoning has convinced nobody here,

Why are you so sure? I am not at all. Which reasoning do you mean, if any at all? Antifinnugor 12:10, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

but that you are still suffered to insert your views, as long as they are marked as minority views. If you continue to refuse accepting this deal, and if you continue to violate policy, this may not remain to be the case forever. dab (ᛏ) 13:00, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I wrote the critical page for this page, and hippo permanently deletes the link to that. I hope, too, that this this may not remain to be the case forever. Antifinnugor 12:10, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC) Retrieved from ""

I have one suggestion: You care for, that the internal links (See also) remains on the uralic and finno-ugric pages, and then I do not care any more much about their contents. If there is something erroneous (like now hipos error on missing have, which is simply wrong) i shall write them onto the discussion pages. However, the wrong words (ín-ér, or apa-ös should be corrected, since they cause the vikipedia to loose on quality). You could correct them, or cause the writer to collect them. Is that fair? Antifinnugor 13:21, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Delete vs. move[edit]

Hi dab,

I noticed you wrote on User talk:Antifinnugor

"Because of that, it will have to be deleted and recreated."

Perhaps you've never noticed the "Move this page" link on every page. By moving the page instead of deleting, the edit history is retained. --Dbenbenn 15:21, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, Dbennbenn. I did not know that, and therefore followed dab's not so optimal procedure. Antifinnugor 16:34, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
There were already two others, who helped me to create the critique page. You (Dbennbenn, dab, hipo, mustafa, ...) are also welcomed to help in the creation and formulating of that page with correct informations. I plan to add a better word comparison using the excellent Swadesh list. It might also direct in grammatical things, I must check. Antifinnugor 16:34, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

As for the edit history, well, it's not really worth keeping imho. AFU's article will have to be butchered an rebuilt from scratch anyway. dab (ᛏ) 16:45, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yes, dab, you are really militant. What else? Butcher? Rebuilt from scratch? And you criticize me, if I don't like hipos deletions? Do you want to write the article? You suggested to me, I wrote it, and your reaction is: Kill! Butcher! Recreate from scratch! This is the most incorrect behaviour I saw in my whole life. Please add to that article, what you think, is right. You also can write into the two criticized one, what you believe is right. I don't want to butcher or recreate you therefore. That is one of the differences between us. Antifinnugor 16:59, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Both the finnougric and the uralic page contain wrong word tables.

 English   Finnish    Hungarian
  vein       suoni     ér
  tendon     jennä     ín
  father     isä       apa
  ancestor   esi-isä   õs

This is how it looks correctly. If the words in the table do not match the English ones, people are badly informed, and this is therefore a bad table. Also the English words after the Hungarian ones suggest, these are Hungarian words, which is absolutely confusing. If a vikipedia editor believes, that suoni and ín are somehow relatid, should try to prove that. Father and õs's relation is somewhat more believable by looking at the words, this can be also mentioned. Thank for fixing that. Antifinnugor 20:08, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Maybe the 'English' column should go, and each FU word should be given with its meaning, so that even AFU (gasp) gets the point of the table. Or, if anybody is capable of this, it would be even cooler to give the reconstructed PFU word, with its recoustructed meaning, for each row. dab () 09:03, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I notice that the table is patiently explained,
Bachman, you can so long explain a wrong table, as you like, it remains wrong and incorrect. Once again very slowly: The Hungarian word ín has absolutely nothing to do with the English word vein, and these two words are in the same row. Do you understand, what is the problem? Also the Hungarian word ős is in the same row as the English word father, even though ős does not mean father in Hungarian. Do you understand now the problem? Summarized: The problem is the English word in front of the row, that means something completely different, than the Hungarian word. The table is incorrect, as it is. Is that clear, bachman?
specifically for AFU, right at its beginning. If this is not enough, I don't think anything can be done to make him get the point.
to get an erronous table good? bachman, it is incorrect. As incorrect, as you are. Antifinnugor 08:23, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I think there are many more people like him where he came from, and we'll just have to live with reverting the article from time to time. dab () 10:38, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Your hate and defamation is somewhat boring, bachman. As your incorrect tables and reverting are. Antifinnugor 08:23, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Request to visit Venpa[edit]

I find that you are interested in language-related articles. Can you have a look at Venpa and my request at Talk:Venpa whenever you find some time? -- Sundar 13:41, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

sure. very interesting. it is nice to see your "academic honesty" in not adding your own paper, but I should say if it is on citeseer, it should be fair game anyway. cheers, dab () 14:05, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your word of appreciation, Dab. I noticed your edit to Venpa. -- Sundar 06:02, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)

Wikisource Old Hittite[edit]

Could you shed any light on the copyright status of the Old Hittite article on Wikisource? Ben 20:12, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You might also be interested in some scripts I'm writing for prettying up the transliterations: [1] Ben 22:59, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Epic of Gilgamesh[edit]

A thought: If the names of the versions are examples of an incipit, it might be good to say so, with the briefest disambiguation. --Wetman 11:30, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Human sacrifice[edit]

Nice job with the detail of Midwinterblot! I like it.--Wiglaf 22:43, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)