User talk:FFN001

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Request reason:

Why have I been blocked? The person that blocked me doesn't even seem to have a wiki profile. I was having a debate with the pro-MSG people and they just kept saying my citations weren't good enough over and over, no matter what citations I provided. If you review my citations you will find that they are legitimate. All I can say is 'wow'. What should I do?

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This does not address the reason for your block, which is WP:EW. As for what you should do - read WP:GAB and WP:DR. —  Sandstein  23:04, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I was not in an edit war--my one sentence edit kept being vandalized. Also, I am not a sockpuppet, this is my only account. However, if you want I will take a break from positing on the MSG page until the vandals get tired of their game.


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"MMy sentence kept being vanalized" eh? So, please add WP:OWN and WP:AGF to your reading list. Guy (Help!) 23:52, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

ha ha, you're right--facts are not 'my facts'. Well, go ahead and kick me for adding cites that the pro-MSG people don't like. Shame on me!

FFN001 (talk) 00:25, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I was not the perpetrator of an edit war--the MSG page keeps getting vandalized over and over. I should not be punished for attempting to prevent the page from being vandalized. However, if you do not want me involved I will not get involved.

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Your edits are not reverting vandalism, instead they are reverting sourced content. Hence, a edit war. — Tiptoety talk 05:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

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{{unblock|I'm sorry if you consider what I did to be an edit war. That was not my intent. Others on the site were removing sourced material and I was adding it back in. Regardless, I will stay out of this stuff in the future! Thank you for your consideration.}}

I am willing to unblock this account if you agree to no longer edit war, take any issues you may have to the articles talk page or to the users talk page, and with the approval of the blocking admin. Are you willing to agree to no longer edit war? Tiptoety talk 06:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. Thank you!

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Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

Per our discussion above. Any further edit warring will be met with a block. I would also like to note that saying such things as: "ha ha, you're right--facts are not 'my facts'. Well, go ahead and kick me for adding cites that the pro-MSG people don't like. Shame on me!" are not helpful and go against Wikipedia's principle on civility, as such I ask that you refrain from making any further such comments.

Request handled by: Tiptoety talk 21:25, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

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Request handled by: J.delanoygabsadds 23:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

BLOCKED?![edit]

Well, I guess I now know why you haven't been posting. I'm really sorry you were blocked, I can't believe they would do that. That's REALLY low. So this is what happens when you disagree with the powers that be. I guess all of our potential allies are also in wiki-jail :)

Anyway, you were probably following that things haven't gotten any more logical over on the talk page. I'm really tempted to post that this happened to you on the talk page, but I'm afraid that would keep you from getting unblocked. Anonymous081222 (talk) 19:34, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

  • An inflammatory and useless comment, I'm afraid. I have no involvement in the MSG edit war, FFN001 has not disagreed with me in any sense at all, and there are no "powers that be" on Wikipedia. There is no cabal, though there is a rouge admin cabal. Guy (Help!) 21:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Anonymous! Guy said that there were no deals or behind-the-scene call-to-arms so its tough to say exactly why all those administrators came in all at once...but I have a feeling I'd better stay away from MSG anyways (the article and the chemical). I think I will go somewhere tropical with beaches:) FFN001 (talk) 23:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

The reason we all came at once is because you placed the unblock template on your talk page. This alerts all the administrators. Tiptoety talk 00:08, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh sorry, I meant on the discussion page of the MSG. What happened was that Anonymous started off really polite but he was still attacked viciously. I got angry at the way they condescended him so I stepped in and provided a bunch of citations. Unfortunately, every piece of research I found which found negative MSG health links were dismissed without hesitation. Even the articles from cacycle (which were actually conference procedings from an industry-sponsored conference) came to the conclusion that there were at least some health effects of MSG. But still even the POSSIBILITY that there may be negative health effects were deleted immediately, no matter how many citations and how softly we worked the phrase. It was too weird.

But what I think I made everyone REALLY angry was when I said that I figured some people must have a vested interest. There really did seem like a concerted effort to prevent even basic health statements from being included on the page. Then all of a sudden, all of these administrators and editors came in. I am not one for conspiracy theories but I can't help but wonder if there was some message board or something that said "everyone come help us get rid of these people." Suddenly I was blocked, Anon was attacked and both our reputations have been questioned. How did we get from "some people think that MSG causes migraine headaches" to being accused of involvement in an "edit war"?!!! Well, I won't worry about it now.


MSG and glutamate references which suggest that MSG is NOT completely harmless[edit]

I don't want to mess with the MSG page anymore, I do want to provide some cites (with some key sentences) so they are not lost. All of these papers are available on medline by subscription.

General health problems caused by MSG---

Nutritional protein intake is associated with body mass index in young adolescents. (eng; includes abstract) By Hermanussen M, Georgian Medical News [Georgian Med News], ISSN: 1512-0112, 2008 Mar;, pp. 84-8; PMID: 18403817; "Preventing and treating obesity has become a major public health concern." "We strongly suggest reconsidering the recommended daily allowances of nutritional protein, to abstain from the popular very high protein diets, and particularly from adding the flavouring agent monosodium glutamate."
Monosodium glutamate (MSG): a villain and promoter of liver inflammation and dysplasia. (eng; includes abstract) By Nakanishi Y, Tsuneyama K, Fujimoto M, Salunga TL, Nomoto K, An JL, Takano Y, Iizuka S, Nagata M, Suzuki W, Shimada T, Aburada M, Nakano M, Selmi C, Gershwin ME, Journal Of Autoimmunity [J Autoimmun], ISSN: 0896-8411, 2008 Feb-Mar; Vol. 30 (1-2), pp. 42-50; PMID: 18178378; "We previously reported that injection of monosodium glutamate (MSG) in ICR mice leads to the development of significant inflammation, central obesity, and type 2 diabetes." "These results take on considerable significance in light of the widespread usage of dietary MSG and we suggest that MSG should have its safety profile re-examined and be potentially withdrawn from the food chain."
Herbert H. Schaumburg, Robert Byck, Robert Gerst, and Jan H. Mashman 1969 "Monosodium L-Glutamate: Its Pharmacology and Role in the Chinese Restaurant Syndrome Science" 21 February: Vol. 163. no. 3869, pp. 826 - 828
Vasospasm contributes to monosodium glutamate-induced headache.By Merritt JE, Williams PB, Headache [Headache], ISSN: 0017-8748, 1990 Sep; Vol. 30 (9), pp. 575-80; PMID: 2262310; "Consumption of monosodium glutamate has long been considered to precipitate headaches in susceptible patients." "These results demonstrate a direct effect of glutamate on peripheral arterial tone. Dietary consumption of large quantities of MSG may represent a serious health hazard to certain individuals with pre-existing vascular disease."
Sensory and autonomic nerve changes in the monosodium glutamate-treated rat: a model of type II diabetes. (eng; includes abstract) By Morrison JF, Shehab S, Sheen R, Dhanasekaran S, Shaffiullah M, Mensah-Brown E, Experimental Physiology [Exp Physiol], ISSN: 0958-0670, 2008 Feb; Vol. 93 (2), pp. 213-22; PMID: 17911358;
Emerging aspects of dietary glutamate metabolism in the developing gut. (eng; includes abstract) By Burrin DG, Janeczko MJ, Stoll B, Asia Pacific Journal Of Clinical Nutrition [Asia Pac J Clin Nutr], ISSN: 0964-7058, 2008; Vol. 17 Suppl 1, pp. 368-71; PMID: 18296381; "This intriguing finding implies that gastric glutamate transport may be physiologically significant and warrants further research into the role of MSG in gastric development and function during infancy."

MSG migraine link (the following 2 studies were automatically dismissed on the MSG-discussion page; I don't know why)

The diet factor in pediatric and adolescent migraine. (eng; includes abstract) By Millichap JG, Yee MM, Pediatric Neurology [Pediatr Neurol], ISSN: 0887-8994, 2003 Jan; Vol. 28 (1), pp. 9-15; PMID: 12657413; "Diet can play an important role in the precipitation of headaches in children and adolescents with migraine. The diet factor in pediatric migraine is frequently neglected in favor of preventive drug therapy. The list of foods, beverages, and additives that trigger migraine includes cheese, chocolate, citrus fruits, hot dogs, monosodium glutamate, aspartame, fatty foods, ice cream, caffeine withdrawal, and alcoholic drinks, especially red wine and beer."
Why do some dietary migraine patients claim they get headaches from placebos? (eng; includes abstract) By Strong FC 3rd, Clinical And Experimental Allergy: Journal Of The British Society For Allergy And Clinical Immunology [Clin Exp Allergy], ISSN: 0954-7894, 2000 May; Vol. 30 (5), pp. 739-43; PMID: 10792367; "Capsules may give headaches to dietary migraine patients that are similar to those from foods. This would explain some of the headaches of patients from placebos. The double-blind test and the repeatability of the time measurements demonstrated the validity of the experiments."
The monosodium glutamate symptom complex: assessment in a double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized study.Yang WH, Drouin MA, Herbert M, Mao Y, Karsh J, The Journal Of Allergy And Clinical Immunology [J Allergy Clin Immunol], ISSN: 0091-6749, 1997 Jun; Vol. 99 (6 Pt 1), pp. 757-62; PMID: 9215242 "Oral challenge with MSG reproduced symptoms in alleged sensitive persons. The mechanism of the reaction remains unknown, but symptom characteristics do not support an IgE-mediated mechanism. According to Food and Drug Administration recommendations, the symptoms, originally called the Chinese restaurant syndrome, are better referred to as the MSG symptom complex."

Glutamate migraine link (not specifically geared towards MSG)

Sensitization, glutamate, and the link between migraine and fibromyalgia. (eng; includes abstract) By Sarchielli P, Di Filippo M, Nardi K, Calabresi P, Current Pain And Headache Reports [Curr Pain Headache Rep], ISSN: 1531-3433, 2007 Oct; Vol. 11 (5), pp. 343-51; PMID: 17894924; "Recent advances have shed insight on the pathophysiologic mechanisms of fibromyalgia and migraine, especially in the chronic form. A growing body of evidence supports the involvement of peripheral and central sensitization disturbances of pain-related processes underlying both disorders. They involve increased glutamate transmission through interaction with its ionotropic and metabotropic receptors."
The role of glutamate and its receptors in migraine. (eng; includes abstract) By Vikelis M, Mitsikostas DD, CNS & Neurological Disorders Drug Targets [CNS Neurol Disord Drug Targets], ISSN: 1871-5273, 2007 Aug; Vol. 6 (4), pp. 251-7; PMID: 17691981; "Glutamate (Glu) is the principal excitatory neurotransmitter in the central nervous system." "In the future, efforts should be made to further investigate the role of glutamate in migraine pathogenesis and, subsequently, in migraine treatment."
Glutamate levels in cerebrospinal fluid and triptans overuse in chronic migraine. (eng; includes abstract) By Vieira DS, Naffah-Mazzacoratti Mda G, Zukerman E, Senne Soares CA, Cavalheiro EA, Peres MF, Headache [Headache], ISSN: 0017-8748, 2007 Jun; Vol. 47 (6), pp. 842-7; PMID: 17578532; "OBJECTIVE: Chronic migraine (CM) is a common disorder, affecting 2% to 3% of the general population. Glutamate is implicated in cortical spreading depression, trigeminovascular activation, central sensitization, and may be linked to migraine chronification." "CONCLUSIONS: Our study showed lower glutamate levels in CSF of CM patients overusing triptans. Glutamate may be implicated in triptan response mechanisms, triptans may work in part by reducing extracellular glutamate levels in the brain."
Neurochemistry of trigeminal activation in an animal model of migraine. (eng; includes abstract) By Oshinsky ML, Luo J, Headache [Headache], ISSN: 0017-8748, 2006 Jun; Vol. 46 Suppl 1, pp. S39-44; PMID: 16927963; "Results of these experiments support an integral role for glutamate in central sensitization of neurons in the TNC, and suggest an important contribution of glutamate to allodynia and hyperalgia in this animal model of migraine."

FFN001 (talk) 00:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Above you said "I don't want to mess with the MSG page anymore" but you're back! Which, if you follow policy, I don't mind. You are allowed to add content and these studies as long as it does not violate WP:SECONDARY, WP:NPOV, etc. But given your history, this may not be attainable, but I challenge you to adapt. Thanks. -Shootbamboo (talk) 02:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppeteering[edit]

Information.svg You have been accused of sockpuppetry, which means that someone suspects you of using multiple Wikipedia accounts for prohibited purposes. Please make yourself familiar with the notes for the suspect, then respond to the evidence at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Anonymous081222. Thank you. Cacycle (talk) 16:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


UGH! I am not a sock puppet! Why do I keep getting accused of this? Is it just because I share SOME opinions with Anon? FFN001 (talk) 16:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Guy said that I wouldn't be blocked if I stuck to the rules, so I am sticking to the rules!


If you're not a sock, you're fine. The checkusers will check it out, say Nope, not a sock, and dismiss the case. There is sufficient similarity in your editing to make a sockcheck reasonable, so its not going to get dismissed out of hand. But if you're not his sock, you'll be cleared. Guy is absolutely right - follow the rules and you won't get blocked. KillerChihuahua?!? 01:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay cool! Thanks--that's a relief. I thought maybe they would just take cacycles word for it. FFN001 (talk) 01:50, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Nope. They'll analyze the editing patterns, etc. I probably shouldn't have said they will run a checkuser, because they might not - but for some idea of how all this works read some of the old cases (archived) at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets, and you might want to read up at WP:RFCU to see how a checkuser case looks. KillerChihuahua?!? 01:56, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Cool, thanks for the info. I'll read it over. If they use IP address locations I should be okay unless I am just incredibly unlucky and Anon lives in the same city as me. But the odds of Anon, Guru and I being in the same city or even state--well, if that happens I am buying a lottery ticket:))FFN001 (talk) 02:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

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