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I archived your comments, to prevent the start of a discussion centered on the topic treated on the article instead of centered on improving the article. I first deleted it, but I reverted myself because other editors will want to see what rationale you gave for your edits to the article. Cheers --Enric Naval (talk) 13:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Huwala

Hi,

I have edited the Huwala article to remove the text which was unreferenced and not relevant to the subject matter. Can you provide any sources or tell me your reasons for insisting on the inclusion of paragraphs such as:

Arab Origins and DNA

Current day science has developed so much that one can know his Arabic purity simply by testing (Y-DNA) (male descendant gene markers). Studies show Arabic Y-DNA largest cluster to be of J1 and J2 types (could be interpreted by some as Qahtanite and Andante origins of Arabs in Arabian peninsula). One interesting factor is that Jews also share J2 YDNA type which confirms known Semitic lineage between Arabs and Jews. Main institute that carry out such gene test is family tree DNA in coordination with National Geographic

and

Sunni Persian Families

One of the leading Sunni Persians families in Bahrain, are the Khonji family. The Khonji family comes originally from Khonj. Khonj is a township (city) in province of Fars 270 km south of Shiraz with a population of 60,000. Its history goes back to 2000 years and its inhabitants were known to be the followers of Zoroastrianism. The ancient names for Khonj has always been Hong and Konj (corner in Persian) and over time it was changed to Khonj.

Another famous Sunni Persian family in Bahrain are the Bastaky family, they come originally from Bastak, a large city in the province of Hormozgān. They are well known to be traders and have business interests, and are always being mentioned to be have "blue blood" due to the fact that they are Persians, or perhaps from the Aryan race as some may suggest. However their city of Bastak is mixed between Arabs and Persians, Al Bastaki family are well known to have strong friendship relationships with some of the biggest Arab leading families in the GCC countries too.

Other well known leading families in Bahrain include Alansari, Alkooheji originally from the city of Kohig, Alawadhi coming from Awaz, Kanoo from Kanee, Khonji coming from Khonj, Janahi from Jeneh, Karmostaji from Karmostaj and Alnaser.

Although the Gerashi family from Gerash were former Sunnis, they changed their faith to Shia some time ago, this explains why they aren't called Huwala despite that they still speak with the same accent as the Huwala. The Gerashi family are well known in the business market, since they are the food agent of many trademarks.

Most of these previous mentioned families are Persians according to history and locations of their native origins, but most of them instead refer to themselves to be Arabs in order to avoid racism or being controversial. At the end it only depends of how strong was their Persian culture, and the environment that surrounds them, this also explains why that some members from the same family may even argue about their exact origin, Persian or Arab.

It is well known also that most of them added the "Al" (Arabic: ال) which means "The" on their family names, in order to make it sound more Arabic. Many actually view their actions like "giving up" or abandoning their origins and culture, other explain it to avoid racism troubles. These changing facts can be noticed today in their official appearance since they changed their costumes and only speak fluent Arabic.

Some even refuse to speak, or even learn how to speak Persian, and only prefer to marry from the Arabs or Sunnis. This indeed shows how the Arab had influence on them. For this, some huwala look like Arabs more than Persians, it is due to the mixture between the two usually.

The Complete List of Sunni Persian Families in the GCC countries:

1- Al Janahi Family (from the village of Jeneh, they are noted business men as well as Building constructers).

2- Karmostaji Family (from the village of Karmostaj, mostly inhabited by Sunni Muslims and a minority of Shia Muslims, most of them being traders).

3- Bastaki Family (from the village of Bastak).

4- Galadari Family (from the village of Galadar where some are Shia and some Sunni).

5- Herangi Family (from the village of Herang, and they are a noted Bakeries).

6- Gawdai Family.

7- Go'od Family ( Originally a mixture between Janahi and Awazi families).

8- Awadhi Family ( Another successful Sunni Persian Family in the Business).

9- Falamarzi Family ( from the village of Falamarz, they are well known traders).

10- Khunji Family ( From the Village of Khonj, are a well known traders).

11- Khameri Family ( From the village of Khameer).

12- karmastaj ( kanoo desecendants)

13- Kanoo Family ( Most of them claim to be Arabs originally, however maps and old family members claim that they are from a Persian village name "Kani", but due to their very old history in the GCC country, they claim to be Arabs now). Some of their descendants are the Al-Moayyed family.

14- Al Moayyad Family ( Originally Kanoo descendants) (Sunni Bahraini family of Persian origin; involved in plethora of business ventures in the island Kingdom.)

15- Behdahi Family.

16- Maraghi Family ( From the village of Maragh).

17- Kato Family ( Some claim they are from the Village of Keteh or Kato, some say they are a mixture of Janahis and Awadhis, they are one of the best in the tailoring Business).

18- Kangoni Family ( From the village of Kangoon, they are noted bakeries and the first who introduced the local Persian bread in the GCC countries).

19- Gerashi Family ( From the village of Gerash, one of the most famous food Agents and traders all over Iran and the GCC countries, most of them turned Shia by now).

20- Faqehi Family ( Some Shia and Some Sunni).

21- Alkhan Family in Saudi Arabia, House of Al Khan ( The word "Al Khan" comes from "Khan" in Persian, which means "Leader" or "King" in Persian, however this is only a family nick name, the original name is Al abbasid, descended from `Abd Allah ibn `Abbas.

22- Eshaq Family ( The Sheikh Eshaq family that is one branch of the AlKhan family in Bahrain)

23- Najibi Family ( Another branch of the Alkhan family in Bahrain)

24- Mustafa bin Abdulatif Family

25- Yaquby Family

26- Saffy Family

27- Al Emadi family .

28- Bucheeri family ( from the village of Bucheer ) .

29- Al Zarouni Family ( from a village called Zarawn. Its a well known business familly , and its now located in the U.A.E )

30- Bo 'Alai Family .

31- Bo Zaboon Family ( "Zaboon" means tongue in Persian ) .

32- Faramarzi Family ( mostly from the village of village of Faramarz or Falamarz ) .

33- Al Naqi family in Saudi Arabia ( A very well known Business family, they are from Persian roots ) .

34- Al Kookherdi family ( A very well known family in Sharjah ( The UAE) that originates from the village of Kookherd which is between Bastak and Lengeh) .

35- Ahli Family (this family came from the ahal village in Persia [it is not there now], all members of the family are sunni [shafi'i], some say that they come from Mongol or tattar origins.

36- Khoory Family.

37- Sharafi Family.

38- Al Hasan Family.

39- Fakhru Family (From the Village of Fakhrabad, the current generation believe they are arabs for some unknown reason, but they are very succesful in Business and Education leadership, as well as Woman Rights supporters).

40- Kooheji (From the Village of Kohei, they are well known in the business).

Thanks! :) Bladeofgrass (talk) 19:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Thank you for your message. I don't want to delete the article, but I would like to make sure that the information in it is attributed. At the moment, there are 'no' sources for the information on this page, and there is no way for me to check that it is not original research (ie, what you think) Take a look at WP:NOR and WP:V. I know how you feel about the DNA section, but again, please provide a source. Bladeofgrass (talk) 20:47, 8 February 2009 (UTC)