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Iran's claim of Bahrain as it's 14 province[edit]

Shouldn't Iran's territorial claim of Bahrain be mentioned in the template as:

Disputed sovereignty

Self-governaned by Bahrain

Claimed by Iran

As is the case with for example, the Abu Musa Island?

I say this because there is no legal basis for the UAE's claim and the dispute caries no legal value - especially as it was dismissed by the UN and is accepted internationally as Iran's territory. However, UAE's claim is included in the template section simply because of the existence of such a claim. In other words, either the UAE's claim of the Iranian Islands should be removed, or Iran's claim to Bahrain's sovereignty ought to be included, in-order to be consistent. Falkland Islands - though an independent state as part of the UK, is another case in which the claims of both parties - the UK and Argentina are equally represented.

After reading the Wikipedias policies, I failed to find a section that outlines the criteria for a legitimate claim, in-order for it to be included in the template section. Iran's claim of Bahrain has repeatedly been made since 1972 until the present day. It was only a few months that an Iranian official once again repeated Iran's claim.

I appreciate that under the Foreign relations subsection, this issue is briefly alluded to as:

"Relations with Iran tend to be tense as a result of a failed coup in 1981 which Bahrain blames Iran for and occasional claims of Iranian sovereignty over Bahrain by ultra-conservative elements in the Iranian public".

However my point is entirely different. I am referring to the template section in-order to be consistent with the approach that was taken regarding the Iranian Islands in the Persian Gulf.

As I said, I couldn't find a section on wikipedia's guidelines that would clarify, or rather offer, a criteria to include such claims in the template section. If there is such a guideline, I would be grateful if someone makes a reference to it. I think it will be useful to have the inputs of the wider community of on this issue.

Thanks NuturalObserver (talk) 19:39, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

The country template is set up very differently to other geography templates, and I do not think including the Iranian claim would add greatly to it. The Abu Musa template does use a map of Iran, which reflects control, although perhaps the initial description of "disputed island" does focus far more on the political claims than the topic warrants. CMD (talk) 22:37, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I appreciate what you are saying. My point was twofold. One was in regards to the template sections, but the most important one was regarding the inadequate representation of Iran's claim in the article. Once again, I will point to Falkland Islands as the most relevant. Falkland is an independent, self-governed nation with independent GDP, natural resources and financial obligations but is yet part of the British Overseas Territory that Argentina claims sovereignty over it. Although the template section does not include Argentina's claim, there is a subsection of "3.1 Sovereignty dispute" in the article that states:

"The United Kingdom and Argentina both claim the Falkland Islands. The UK's position is that the Falklanders have not indicated a desire for change, and that there are no pending issues to resolve concerning the islands.[85][86] The UK bases its position on its continuous administration of the islands since 1833 (except for 1982) and the islanders' "right to self-determination as set out in the UN Charter".[87] Argentine policy maintains that Falkland Islanders do not have a right to self-determination, claiming that in 1833 the UK expelled Argentine authorities (and settlers) from the Falklands with a threat of "greater force" and, afterwards, barred Argentines from resettling the islands.[88][89] Argentina posits that it acquired the Falklands from Spain when it achieved independence in 1816, and that the UK illegally occupied them in 1833.[88]

In 2009, British prime minister Gordon Brown had a meeting with Argentine president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, and said that there would be no further talks over the sovereignty of the Falklands.[90] In March 2013, the Falkland Islands held a referendum on its political status, with 99.8 percent of voters favoured remaining under British rule.[91][92] Argentina does not recognise the Falkland Islands as a partner in negotiations;[93] consequently, it dismissed the Falkland Islands' sovereignty referendum.[94]".

With a further link to the main article: Falkland Islands sovereignty dispute.

The argument that Argentine has made for it's claim of Falkland/Islas Malvinas, is exactly the same as Iran in principle - a historical claim. In addition to the historical claim, Argentina argues that because the country was governed by a dictatorship, any agreement with the British did not have the mandate of the Argentines people, therefore is invalid. Again, it is exactly the same argument that Iran has made very actively since the 1979 onwards.

There are more cases available of on Wikipedia that represents such claims. This article does not proportionally reflect that at all. As you said yourself, it a short sentence that focuses on the political aspect. The same consistent approach needs to be adopted. I also recommend creating a subsection for Iran's claim. Let's not forget that Bahrain up until the 1979 revolution, had an MP represented in the Iranian Parliament (Majlis). Including such content is not only inline with Wikipedia:Core content policies and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, but it will add value to the article as much it has when including it in other similar cases such as the Falkland. NuturalObserver (talk) 09:55, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

As far as I know, Iran has no official claim on Bahrain. The statements of one or two rogue officials here and there for electoral reasons or whatever do not constitute an official claim. As far as I know the dispute was resolved in 1970 via a UN survey (see Bahraini independence survey, 1970). However, if there is a reliable source that Iran is now claiming Bahrain as part of its territory, that would be different. Mohamed CJ (talk) 09:30, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

I think the first two sentences make little sense[edit]

Title. Socialistguy (talk) 00:51, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

How about now? Mohamed CJ (talk) 06:10, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

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