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August 2020

Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to Bhirrana, did not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 09:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My edit was based on the chronology based on Bhirrana's excavation provided with Published sources including Nature publication, Archeological survey of India. where as @Joshua Jonathan: editor is using his privilages to push a chronology which is NOT based on Bhirrana excavation rather is old chronology based on other sites. He has failed to provide source on the Talk page where I specifically created section requesting source of his table of chronology which are based on Bhirrana. He failed to do so. I believe this is a against the wikipedia policy.--Havimel (talk) 10:55, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You removed sourced info (Dikshit 2013); and you're pushing a chronology by Rao, based on an odd dating for which there's been consensus over the years not to include it; see the archives of IVC-talkpage. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:28, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You deleted my previous comment, you are lying in the open. You are pushing a chronology which has nothing to do with Bhirrana. You are adding conventional and traditional dating which does not include artefacts and excavation of Bhirrana. Courses clearly say the conventional and traditional dates for chronology for Harappa. But also mentions that excavations of Bhirrana pushes the dates for early Harappa period back and reveal an early start. I will file a complaint with Wikipedia to get a committee to review. You are a fraud. --Havimel (talk) 02:49, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Which comment? Diff, please, when casting WP:ASPERSIONS. Rao is mentioned, Sarkar is mentioned, yet you failto understand the problems withRao's datings, or the consensus atWikipedia in this regard. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:37, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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August 2020

Your recent edits to User talk:Havimel could give Wikipedia contributors the impression that you may consider legal or other "off-wiki" action against them, or against Wikipedia itself. Please note that making such threats on Wikipedia is strictly prohibited under Wikipedia's policies on legal threats and civility. Users who make such threats may be blocked. If you have a dispute with the content of any page on Wikipedia, please follow the proper channels for dispute resolution. Please be sure to comment on content, not contributors, and where possible make specific suggestions for changes supported by reliable independent sources and focusing especially on verifiable errors of fact. Thank you. Goose^(Talk!) 02:51, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

telling someone that he is lying and complaint will be filed with wikipedia to get a committee to review, is not a threat. Open your eyes. --Havimel (talk) 02:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Let’s a committee to review your sources which do not say which you are pushing. Bhirrana excavations revealed an earlier start of Early Harappa period which are trying to hide and you are adding an out of date chronology on Bhirrana page which is NOT based on Bhirrana excavation at all. Let’s have it reviewed. --Havimel (talk) 03:03, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dikshit (2013), as repeated several times. WP:ANI is where you might like to start, be beware of WP:BOOMERANG. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Havimel, it looks like you don't have an understanding of WP:NPOV. Please read the policy page and understand it thoroughly before taking any further steps. If you think the two-way discussion is not resolving matters, you can seek WP:dispute resolution. But please avoid personal attacks. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:21, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on Talk:Bhirrana. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Calling editors lying is not acceptable. Doug Weller talk 14:50, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please understand that all pages are covered by discretionary sanctions, and you are in danger of being banned from all pages dealing with India, Pakistan or Afghanistan. User:Kautilya3, have you seen Talk:Bhirrana? Doug Weller talk 14:51, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I noticed the user ask for a "committee" at Talk:Bhirrana, and came here to suggest WP:DR. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:36, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Kautilya3: @Doug Weller: @Joshua Jonathan:

Point 1: No where did I give any threat to anyone, saying,"Let's have wikipedia committee review the sources" is not a threat in any language.

Point 2: The moment I said lets have a committee to review the sources because Joshua was using "wrong" references. Then he deleted that comment of mine and sent me a warning that I am threatening. Show me where is the threat?

Point 3: That you guys are grouping up against a new editor to enforce your point of view which is also against Wikipedia policy.

Point 4 The final point, I can see the Bhirrana page now include the dates that I was asking to add, proves my point. Now the dates the dates are there. Problem solved. --Havimel (talk) 08:43, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Asking for a "committee" is not a threat. That is not what you were warned about. SuperGoose007, can you clarify what the warning was about? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:58, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Kautilya3: @SuperGoose007:Joshua deleted the dates from the introductory table, and also deleted the tables and dates I added. Now after I said "lets have a wikipedia review the sources" then Joshua went back and added all the dates. Now I am asking Why did he delete the dates first? Now he had added them and that is what I was asking him to. My entire argument was based on the FACT that any Harappa phase chronology which is NOT based on Bhirrana excavations is irrelevant here. Because Bhirrana excavations have revealed much earlier date and has come out to be the oldest city in the Indus&Saraswati Valley.

Another argument that I made was that. This site was established in pre-IVC era but continued habitation until the late Harappan era. But your admin Joshua kept deleting that. I do not understand WHY? What is the problem in stating this line when it is completely based on excavation findings and is accepted by all scholars. Answer me why this cannot be added. Joshua added "this is pre-IVC site" which is completely INCORRECT and he kept pushing it. The site is not pre-IVC., it is established in Pre-IVC era and continued habitation until the late Harrapan phase. confirm with any source. What was this whole circular behaviour? why arguing at first when in the end he added all the dates I initially asked for.--Havimel (talk) 09:10, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SuperGoose007: Can I please get clarification?--Havimel (talk) 00:00, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Havimel, disregard the warning. I misunderstood your threat as an legal threat and my brain already jumped to conslusions before I understood your threat. However, as Doug Weller said, you will have to stop attacking other editors or you may be blocked at any time. Goose^(Talk!) 01:20, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SuperGoose007: Now that I have clarification that I gave no threat and that warning given to me was a mistake as you clarified. Now again you blamed and threatened me above, that I will be blocked from editing, for attacking editors? how did I attack any editor? Didn't you just clarified that warning was unnecessary?. Saying "I will ask wikipedia committee to review" is neither an attack not a threat. Reality is I was being ambushed by a group of you. I will be raising this issue to the noticeboard with all of your usernames mentioned there. First one of your group's editor Joshua deleted all dates from Bhirrana page even from the introductory template table. Then I said, that I will be asking a committee review in the matter. He then added back all the dates. This clearly shows that the editor was behaving in BAD way. He completely showed a circular behavior. Kept deleting my edits for NO good reason and in the end added the dates that I was intending to add. A complete suppression of other editors' work. Then I was given False warning. After which few other editors came here and started sending threats on my page for NO reason, as can be seen above. I will request the committee to investigate how many other new editors had been harassed and ambushed in the past by groups of old editors like I have been harassed and ambushed and given false Warnings.--Havimel (talk) 13:56, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 2020

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you make personal attacks on other people. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. This is seriously your final warning. Please seek consensus first and stop attacking other editors over following consensus. Goose^(Talk!) 14:25, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Havimel! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Bhirrana that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Doug Weller talk 17:44, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller: You are harassing me for no reason. Your group editor Joshua Jonathan. again made a circular edit on this page of Bhirrana. Initially he pushed "pre IVC" and it was wrong as I pointed out but your group kept pushing that POV. Now he in a circular behaviour removed the pre-IVC classification for bhirrana, which I initially pointed out. Care to explain what you guys are doing here. Just like initially Joshua removed the dating and then he added them back when I asked for wikipedia committee to review. Care to explain what you guys are doing here.--Havimel (talk) 03:30, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's pointless to make baseless claims about me. I have no group with Joshua Jonathan, so there is no "you guys" unless you mean User:SuperGoose007 and me. Notifying you about our guidance on the use of the Minor edit tickbox is far from harassment. You also might benefit from reading WP:AGF. Doug Weller talk 09:28, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]